Re: Old French

le ven 12-07-2002 à 16:14, Christophe Grandsire a écrit :
> En réponse à julien eychenne <eychenne.j@...>:
>
> > The older form of French (XIIth century), comes from Paris and from a
> > form called Francique  by philologists.
>
> Oops! Francique never referred to a Romance language. Your philologists'd
> better go back to school! Francique was a Germanic language (the ancestor of
> Flemish, Dutch and some Western German "dialects") which had some influence on
> the Gallo-Roman dialects that became French.
They are actually not mine, but Walter's. Philologists from the XIXth,
yes. But you're right to correct me, I should also have mentionned it.
Mea culpa.

>
> And your definition of French is a bit too strict.
Yes it is ;).

Old French refers to all the
> dialects of oïl, as opposed to the dialects of oc (provençal) and of si. As
> such, it refers also to Anglo-Norman and Picard, and can be traced back until
> the 11th century. You are only talking about the history of Modern French and
> where it comes from.
Yes, exactly.

But Old French is not French either, it's an umbrella name for all
> the dialects of oïl after the XIth century.
Well, I don't believe things to be so clear. There are several points of
view, and I read some stuff where they consider Old French is a language
('romanz') spoken by educated people, but this language was only spoken
in the Oïl part of France.

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