Re: Old French
| From: | Jeff Jones <jeffsjones@...> |
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| Date: | Friday, July 12, 2002, 16:10 |
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Sorry for another OT post, but ...
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:07:54 +0200, Christophe Grandsire
<christophe.grandsire@...> wrote:
>En réponse à Abrigon Gusiq <abrigon@...>:
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>> It seems some say that Old French dates from c.850ad or c.987ad.
>> Though what different languages did the great-grandsons of
>> Charlemagne/Karl die Gross speak? They spoke different languages, one
>> German in nature (Frankish?), the other Gallo-Roman or Old French!?
>> This is c.800ad.. When the met to decide on the fate of the lates that
>> Charlemagne/Charles the Great won.
>
> Please get your facts right! You're talking about the "serments de
> Strasbourg" which were written in Roman and Tudesque (indeed a Romance
> and a Germanic language).
> Old French didn't exist by then, and nobody ever said so.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Please get _your_ facts straight, Christophe. I have seen in published
scholarly books any number of times statements referring to the language of
that period of Old French. Even if it's not the best analysis, _somebody_
still said so. Labels (especially those containing the word "Old") are
arbitrary, and experts disagree how to apply them, and wrong opinions are
not the same thing as wrong facts.
> Roman is an ancestor of Old French that's true, but nothing else, and its
> grammar and syntax were too different to be called French.
Still, it's closer to French than to eny other modern language, except
probably Langue d'Oc. I've also seen what you call Old French referred to
as Middle French, as well as "Roman" called Old French.
Jeff J.
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