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european roots, etc.

From:Muke Tever <alrivera@...>
Date:Sunday, April 1, 2001, 14:44
> From: Daniel44 <Daniel44@...> > Subject: Uusisuom's influences > > Lithuanian = highly prized for its Indo - European roots. Many of its
> can be traced back to ancient India and the Sanskrit language.
The same can be said for almost all of the languages of Europe (except ... Basque, Finno-Ugric languages like Finnish and Hungarian, and... what is it, Maltese?). Of course, none of them, not even Lithuanian is 'derived' from Sanskrit [ok, except probably Romany], though they share a common derivation. Anyway, I thought Lithuanian was 'prized' for its *endings*, not its roots in particular?
> It is also worth mentioning that Uusisuom's grammar system is more similar > to languages such as Urdu, many African language systems and other WORLD > languages than to simply 'European' ones.
Well FWIW Urdu is also Indo-European (derived from Sanskrit, actually, in the way that Lithuanian isn't), though I don't know what its grammar looks like.
> From: Padraic Brown <pbrown@...> > Subject: Re: "y" and "r" (Uusisuom) > > You can order a cd of the pronunciation from the International > Phonetics Association (; I'm also sure > that there are websites that have sound files for this chart. You > could try searching from there.
There's a free SIL program called "IPA Help" that has sound files for most of them. You can see it at Apparently there's a web-based version too, but I haven't used it so I don't know.
> From: Padraic Brown <pbrown@...> > Subject: Re: Uusisuom's influences > > >Finnish = one of the oldest modern languages in Europe; > > Oh?
Yeah, isn't Finnish first written in the 1500s? Even Shakespeare's that old. (Yes, okay, nearly everybody's been speaking a language rather like what their father spoke for as far back as forever, but if you're talking history as in written records...)
> From: Yoon Ha Lee <yl112@...> > Subject: Re: "y" and "r" > > JOOC, then, where do things like the American Heritage Dictionary or the > World Book Dictionary get their pronunciations? Do they take an > average of news anchor voices or something? :-p
Possibly an average of dialects. Of course, they can't get everyone's right. AHD4's pronunciation key <>, frex, marks the vowel in 'f[a]ther' with one sign, 'pot' with another sign, and the vowel in 'caught, paw, for, h[o]rrid, hoarse' with another. But for myself I have one vowel in 'father, pot, caught, paw', and another in 'for, horrid, hoarse'. Plus their treatment of vowels before <r> is weird. Either they have different vowels than elsewhere or they do it for unexplained mnemonic value, but they have, say, e-breve in 'pet' but â (a-circumflex) in 'care'. I have, AFAICT, the same vowel in both, and while it may be longer in 'care' because of the r's influence, it certainly isn't a-like. Er, this has no relation to your question, I'm sorry. *Muke! --


Yoon Ha Lee <yl112@...>