Re: Azurian phonology : LONG
| From: | Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...> |
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| Date: | Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 15:48 |
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On 2008-10-27 Lars Finsen wrote:
>
> > To me it looks, or rather sounds, as if eastern Norwegian, which I
> am reared into, belongs to the Dutch camp. But today I am in Førde,
> and will try to do some experimental linguistics here as I go
> shopping. Likely, the situation is different here.
>
> It wasn't. The voiced stops are very clearly voiced. The unvoiced
> clearly unvoiced. Any aspiration is very faint, just as in my own
> dialect.
>
You 'hear' it this way because humans are conditioned
to categorize what they hear into the phonological
categories of their L1 rather than hearing what is actually
said phonetically.
It seems that in trying to simplify things I've
created a complicated mess -- not a first! :-(
Since I'm very busy ATM I'll refer you to these
Wikipedia articles:
<http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorisk_perception>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_perception>
<http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%A4mtonslatens>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_onset_time>
Since you read Swedish I can fortunately send you
a very good account on the phonetics of stops
and how they are categorized in phonological
systems. It is essentially a (well done)
regurg...eh...destillation of the late Peter
Ladefoged's writings on the subject. I wish
I had the time to use that text to fix up
the Wikipedia texts on the subject, both
Swedish and English. I'm afraid you'll need
to consult a (relatively modern) Norwegian
textbook on phonetics or email a Norwegian
phonetician to get the Norwegian translations
of the terms.
/BP
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