Re: GROUPLANG: noun and verb roots

Pablo wrote :
> What do you say, Mathias? Have I studied my lessons? :)
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> --Pablo Flores
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That makes me very embarassed :(
I didn't want to lecture anybody, I'm not a linguist, you know ? I was beside
the point mistaking REAL lingic issues and the fun of making a conlang. I would
prefer to subscribe to new, off-science, free ideas even if contra-lingologics.
I suggest each could have a deeper individual discussion with another conlanger
through e-mail, not posting. To Pablo : what I write is what I think, not Truth
: Jap theme (= TOP) mixes true theme and case feature due to 'theme=subject'
usual trend in human languages because you don't often see a hammer acting by
itself. Only in 'potential' form you realise that the tool is the underlying
'subject' : hon o yomu : I read the book > hon ga yomeru : I can read the book.
That's why genuine potential has no passive (it's not potential : it's
antipassive, so it can't be passive). But in spoken Japanese this is now turned
into hon o yomeru (-u = do; aru = to have (living beings)/to exist (inanimate);
iru/oru = to be; eru = to get). However 'image' !
is!
!
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 unergative, so that's why 'mi-eru' and 'mi-ru' are still on an equal footing :
compare : hon o yomu : I read the book; hon wa yomu : the book, (I) read it;
hon ga yomareru : the one which is read is the/a book; hon o yomareru : my book
is read ('I'm read the book' = indirect passive); hon wa yomareru; the book is
read (top=subject); hon ga yomeru : the book, it can be read/I can read it (not
in my will : antipassive); hon o yomeru : I can read the book (active); hon wa
yomeru : I can read books; hon o yomaseru : I have (him) read the book; hon o
yomaserareru : someone had me read the book; etc. 4 logics intermingle here :
theme-rheme, realis-potential, subject-object, active-antipassive,
active-passive-caus/factitive. So case 'ga' may show theme, antipassive,
subject, depending on the context.



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