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[Re: trQal]

From:Edward Heil <edwardheil@...>
Date:Tuesday, April 13, 1999, 23:26
dunn patrick w <tb0pwd1@...> wrote:
> Incidently, some other ideas I've got to trQal that I want to run by > someone: > =
> I firmly intend to evolve two other languages from trQal at some point > namely, Orcish and the Dark Tongue, spoken by a group of "evil" wizards=
> who have rejected society and the tiresome contention of the Chaos Mage=
> against the Order Mages in order to pursue their own ends. Of course, =
> also going to have to invent a human speech, since Dark tongue will rel=
> on that as well.
Just as a matter of quibbliness: Tolkien made up Orcs. Everyone who's u= sed them since then has been ripping him off. Do you want to be on that bandwagon? Trolls and Goblins, on the other hand, are in the public domain. :)
> I. Nouns > =
> A. Gender.
Cool. Like this a lot.
> 3. The "vowel gender." > Includes all things of no significance, animals too small to eat, > cubs, and inedible plants, as well as small natural objects. Our > paradigm noun is stlkHe, meaning "tree." (Here's an example of how > tongue-twisting troll can be to the human who has grown > up speaking a civilized language. Breaking the word into syllables can=
> help: "stlk-He" It sounds a lot like an English speaker > saying "stalk, huh!".) Plurality in vowel gender nouns is irregular, a=
> must be learned for each noun. The plural of stlkHe is > stlkHu.
Usually irregularity is a matter of degree. Are there broad patterns wit= hin the vowel gender which tend to hold? Also, usually irregularity is most tolerated among the most-used elements= of a language (e.g words for "be," "have," pronouns, etc). If the vowel gende= r is full of insignignificant items, it seems an *unlikely* place for irregula= rity to lurk, unless these items are still talked about a lot by trolls.
> =
> Verbs decline for number and mood, but not for tense. > =
> Trollish has three moods: "hungry," "horny," and "satisfied." (These =
> direct translations of the trolls' descriptions of their > verbal moods) We might say "forceful imperative/subjunctive," "polite > imperative/subjunctive" and "indicative." The three moods > for each verb are irregular, and must be learned for each word. The > declension for number, however, is regular through almost > all verbs. Moods are always listed in word lists as satisfied (hungry,=
> horny).
Nifty idea to use their native vocabulary, but you might clarify exactly = what you mean by listing the uses for the three moods, not just the grammatica= l terms which you might use to classify them. So, you give commands with t= he "hungry" and "horny" moods, and the "horny" is more polite than the "hung= ry"? = Is that how it works? Also, when you say they are "irregular," do you mean that from the form o= f a verb in one mood, you cannot predict the form it will take in another? I= f so, you could represent this by saying that the verb has "principal parts" --= as a lexical entry for a given verb, you need to list the minimum number of fo= rms you must memorize to be able to use the verb in all its moods (three, presumably). Those will be its "principal parts."
> Trollish has only two numbers: self and other.
These are persons, then, not numbers.
> IV. Adverbs > =
> Adverbs agree with verbs in mood only.
This is interesting! I don't know of a language where adverbs have to ag= ree with verbs, but then, I don't know that many languages. Did you take thi= s idea from a natlang?
> =
> V. Postpositions, conjunctions, and particles. > =
> Trollish indicates dative and instrumental relations by using a very sm=
> number of postpositions and relying on context. An > almost full list of postpositions follow:
Postpositions tend to exist in OV languages. Is Trollish OV? If so, it probably also consistently places modifiers before heads (e.g. adjectives= before nouns; adverbs before verbs). Ed ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at 1