Re: conlang servey (Maggel)
| From: | J Y S Czhang <czhang23@...> |
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| Date: | Tuesday, October 29, 2002, 19:21 |
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In a message dated 10/28/2002 03.09.26 AM, christophe.grandsire@FREE.FR
writes in regards to Maggel:
>Hoaxlang and chaoslang ;)) . Its purpose is to explore the limits of
Maggelity
>(term meaning: the state of being entirely unpredictable, coined by Muke
>Tever, see
http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0207B&L=conlang&P=R13513,
ROTFLMAO. BTW is there a definition for _chaoslang_, hehe 0_o?
>Maggel is an 'a priosteriori' (no, it's *not* a typo ;))) ) conlang: namely
>a priori, but taking influences
>from all the worst all the natlangs of the world can show ;))) , and contains
>quite a few pun-words :))) .
Lingua-manglin' taken to a certain extreme!
<ZNiP>
>> Is the conlang agglutinating, isolating or fusional?
>
>Mainly fusional, with hints of isolation and agglutination, and a light
>touch of polysynthesis ;))) .
LMAO sounds like recipe for a fairly exotic dish...
<ZNiP>
> > Is there a history and dictionary of the conlang?
>
>Not yet. There is this nice idea from Hanuman Chang that this language
>could be the language of the Picts if those had survived until now, but
right now
>it's no more than a nice idea ;))) .
::takes a bow, grinning big::
<ZNiP>
> [ . . .] Maggel takes irregularity as a way of life, surprises even its
author on the >way it works things out, is a master in presenting a familiar
face and then, at the >moment you expect it last strike with a completely
unpredictable feature! And of >course it goes the other way round: at the
moment you think you're completely lost, >it shows suddenly a familiar face!
Somewhat like the Russian idea of _otstraneniye_ (spelling?)!!!
>The wonder and annoyance of Maggel is that it's never *totally* exotic. If
it was, the >brain would promptly give up trying to understand.
>But with Maggel it's always under the impression that there must be some
secret
>principle that will dissipate the clouds of irregularity and show the
>regularity hidden deep inside the language, and keeps on trying to find
>it, never stopping, despite the hopelessness of such a search ;)))) .
Somewhere in this above passage is a rather good definition of a
_chaoslang_ I think. . .
> Written, Maggel is the equivalent of what you get when you fall asleep on
your >keyboard and begin snoring. Spoken too ;)))) .
No no... not snoring - that would be utterly random gibberish... more
like that twilight zone betwixt sleepy dream-state and wakefulness.
>But like the Tao, the Maggel which can be explained is not the true Maggel.
So >throw away all my explanations. Maggel just *is*.
::raises eyebrows:: *snarlfle!*
Hanuman Zhang
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"In the beginning was noise - raw sound, the seed sound, the One, _Nada
Brahma_, the Big Bang. And noise begat rhythm. And rhythm begat everything
else. And thus the Dance began. Rhythm and noise. There is terror in noise,
and in that terror there is also power." - adapted from writings by Mickey
Hart
Sometimes the difference between noise and music is all in your head
NADA BRAHMA - sound is the Godhead/sound is Cosmic Reality
Hanuman Zhang
€º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€€º°`°º€ø,¸~->
"The reception amplification and transfiguration of vibrations emitted by
matter. Just as today we listen to the song of the forest and the sea so
tomorrow shall we be seduced by the vibrations of a diamond or a flower." -
F.T. Marinetti and Pino Masnata, "La Radia" (1933)
"Bruitism is a kind of return to nature. It is the music produced by circuits
of atoms." - Richard Huelsenbeck
"Did you see the sound?
Hear the shape
Catch the wind
Can you write it on the wind?"
- Tan Dun
Hanuman Zhang
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improvvisazione liquida, sospesa temporalmente e profondamente "aliena"
"If you're going to explore uncharted territory,
it's okay to carry a compass, but not a map." - Derek Bailey
"...improvisation is about change, about flux rather than stasis. ... What
you want to do in the next second is changing from second to second. ... you
have to be aware of the fact that improvisation is about a constant change."
- Steve Beresford
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