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Re: conlang servey (Maggel)

From:J Y S Czhang <czhang23@...>
Date:Tuesday, October 29, 2002, 19:21
In a message dated 10/28/2002 03.09.26 AM, christophe.grandsire@FREE.FR
writes in regards to Maggel:

>Hoaxlang and chaoslang ;)) . Its purpose is to explore the limits of
>(term meaning: the state of being entirely unpredictable, coined by Muke >Tever, see,
>and given an exact definition by Tristan McLeay, see > >and cross them!
ROTFLMAO. BTW is there a definition for _chaoslang_, hehe 0_o?
>Maggel is an 'a priosteriori' (no, it's *not* a typo ;))) ) conlang: namely >a priori, but taking influences >from all the worst all the natlangs of the world can show ;))) , and contains >quite a few pun-words :))) .
Lingua-manglin' taken to a certain extreme! <ZNiP>
>> Is the conlang agglutinating, isolating or fusional? > >Mainly fusional, with hints of isolation and agglutination, and a light >touch of polysynthesis ;))) .
LMAO sounds like recipe for a fairly exotic dish... <ZNiP>
> > Is there a history and dictionary of the conlang? > >Not yet. There is this nice idea from Hanuman Chang that this language >could be the language of the Picts if those had survived until now, but
right now
>it's no more than a nice idea ;))) .
::takes a bow, grinning big:: <ZNiP>
> [ . . .] Maggel takes irregularity as a way of life, surprises even its
author on the >way it works things out, is a master in presenting a familiar face and then, at the >moment you expect it last strike with a completely unpredictable feature! And of >course it goes the other way round: at the moment you think you're completely lost, >it shows suddenly a familiar face! Somewhat like the Russian idea of _otstraneniye_ (spelling?)!!!
>The wonder and annoyance of Maggel is that it's never *totally* exotic. If
it was, the >brain would promptly give up trying to understand.
>But with Maggel it's always under the impression that there must be some
>principle that will dissipate the clouds of irregularity and show the >regularity hidden deep inside the language, and keeps on trying to find >it, never stopping, despite the hopelessness of such a search ;)))) .
Somewhere in this above passage is a rather good definition of a _chaoslang_ I think. . .
> Written, Maggel is the equivalent of what you get when you fall asleep on
your >keyboard and begin snoring. Spoken too ;)))) . No no... not snoring - that would be utterly random gibberish... more like that twilight zone betwixt sleepy dream-state and wakefulness.
>But like the Tao, the Maggel which can be explained is not the true Maggel.
So >throw away all my explanations. Maggel just *is*. ::raises eyebrows:: *snarlfle!* Hanuman Zhang €º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€€º°`°º€ø,¸~-> "In the beginning was noise - raw sound, the seed sound, the One, _Nada Brahma_, the Big Bang. And noise begat rhythm. And rhythm begat everything else. And thus the Dance began. Rhythm and noise. There is terror in noise, and in that terror there is also power." - adapted from writings by Mickey Hart Sometimes the difference between noise and music is all in your head NADA BRAHMA - sound is the Godhead/sound is Cosmic Reality Hanuman Zhang €º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€€º°`°º€ø,¸~-> "The reception amplification and transfiguration of vibrations emitted by matter. Just as today we listen to the song of the forest and the sea so tomorrow shall we be seduced by the vibrations of a diamond or a flower." - F.T. Marinetti and Pino Masnata, "La Radia" (1933) "Bruitism is a kind of return to nature. It is the music produced by circuits of atoms." - Richard Huelsenbeck "Did you see the sound? Hear the shape Catch the wind Can you write it on the wind?" - Tan Dun Hanuman Zhang €º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€€º°`°º€ø,¸~-> improvvisazione liquida, sospesa temporalmente e profondamente "aliena" "If you're going to explore uncharted territory, it's okay to carry a compass, but not a map." - Derek Bailey "...improvisation is about change, about flux rather than stasis. ... What you want to do in the next second is changing from second to second. ... you have to be aware of the fact that improvisation is about a constant change." - Steve Beresford


Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>