Apostrophes etc. YAEPT/YAEDT (was: Re: Fwd: [Theory] Types of numerals)

--- In conlang@yahoogroups.com, "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@M...> wrote:
>
> On 1/17/06, tomhchappell <tomhchappell@y...> wrote:
> > [begin YAEPT/YAEDT]
> > Examples:
> > "coordinate" may be pronounced as if it were either
> > "co(w)ordinate" or "co(?)ordinate".
> > "microorganism" may be pronounced as if it were either
> > "micro(w)organism" or "micro(?)organism".
> > "milliohm" may be pronounced as if it were either
> > "milli(y)ohm" or "milli(?)ohnm".
> > "megaohm" may be pronounced as "mega(?)ohm".
>
> I would never put a [?] in any of those, FWIW.   A hiatus, perhaps,
> but never a glottal stop.
I have heard it.

>> But there is no glottal stop in "chaos", nor in "vacuum".
>
> I'd say "vacuum" is a bogus example.  Despite the spelling, there
> are only two syllables and only one vowel sound in the second
> syllable; it's /'v&k.jum/, not /'v&k.ju.um/.
(Would "vacua" have been a better example?)

Four major dictionaries on-line list all three pronunciations.
Three of them list the ".ju.@m" pronunciation _first_.
No dictionary in the first ten Google hits fails to list all three
pronunciations.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/vacuum
says
Main Entry: 1vac·u·um
Pronunciation: 'va-(")kyüm, -ky&m also -kyu-&m

http://www.bartleby.com/61/36/V0003600.html
says
SYLLABICATION: vac·u·um
PRONUNCIATION:   vak'yoo-@m, -yoom, -y@m

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vacuum
says
vac·u·um  (vak'yoo-@m, -yoom, -y@m)

http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/v/v0003600.html
says
vac·u·um  Listen: [ vak'yoo-@m, -yoom, -y@m ]

> [snip]
>>  "Percent" occurs frequently, but "parts per thousand",
>> "parts per million", and "parts per billion" occur less frequently.
>
> English has a word "permille" analogous to "percent" for parts per
> thousand; there's even a symbol for it, analogous to %: o/oo.  Rarer
> still are "permyriad" and the corresponding symbol ‱, meaning
> parts per 10,000.
Thanks; I've never heard or seen either of those words in English
before.

> [snip]
>>>>> and I've heard "third" used in the first sense too: "We thirded
>>>>> the income of the show." "The pie was thirded." etc.
>
>> A native speaker of my idiolect would never use these; but would
>> probably guess what they meant right away.
>
> Uhm, isn't "a native speaker of my idiolect" just a very roundabout
> way of saying "I"? :)
:-)

I probably meant "a native speaker of my native dialect, and every
other dialect of my L1 I've learned so far".

Tom H.C. in MI

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