Re: Spanish ll in different dialects

On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:27:49 +0200, Philip Newton
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> From: David Peterson <thatbluecat@...>
> [on Mexican |ll|]
> > I've only ever heard a mixture between
> > [j], [Z] and [dZ].  Both "ll" and "y" get pronounced this way
>
> A friend of mine, a Japanese who had spent a year or two on Mexico and
> picked up a little Spanish, gave me the phrase [dZo mE dZamo <name>],
> which confused me since I could imagine [dZ] for |ll| but had never
> heard of any pronunciation for |y| but [j]. Yet she insisted that that
> was the pronunciation she had learned there.
Personally I tend to hear /E/ in certain situations, such as closed
syllables (although it may not be a true /E/, but it sounds different
from pure /e/). Does any one have any info on where it occurs?

I have heard everything from palatalized l, to a full on /dZ/ but i
think that tended to happen when someone was emphasizing a word: YO
digo: /dZo DiGo/

Oops, accidendally sent this just to Philip... anyway here's more I
wanted to say:

in San José Buenavista, the psychologist/first comunion teacher told
me (we were discussing lingusitics (yay!)) and she said that even out
in a town nearby, which I think was either Pie de Gallo, or Loma de
Chino (i forget) that they pronounce things differently than other
towns to. She said it was a much more sing son raising (in pitch) of
their vowels, she said it was a lot more musical than the accents she
usually hears. She would know because she'd frequently travel with the
sacerdote to the various smaller chapels in the smaller villages to do
mass and teach first communion (Buenavista was where the Bishop had
his residence and main church). You could actually see most of the
small villages from the fields around Buenavista, and they were only a
few kilometers apart.


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