Re: Relexes Pt. 1: Defence

--- Estel Telcontar <estel_telcontar@...>
wrote:
> In response to Padraic's response:
>
> First of all, I hope I didn't sound too
> argumentative or obnoxious.
Not at all! Believe me, you'd know it if you came
accross as argumentative or obnoxious!~!

> I'm just playing around with some ideas, and I
> may have stated them
> overly strongly in an attempt to set them out.
There are certainly some good ideas in there.

> I haven't thought very hard about why one might
> want to make a relex;
> there are "stealthlangs", as I mentioned...
> then, what about
> stealthlangs associated with concultures?
Of course, such a thing would still be both a
relex and a stealthlang - it's just that it would
be a relex of a conlang! ;)

> That would be one place for
> relexes to fit in.
Yeah, like if you were writing about Kemrese kids
and some of them had a secret language...

> One could even relexify a
> conlang, say by making a
> language game spoken by some kids in the
> conculture associated with it.
:)

>  I actually think it would be a kind of
> interesting project to create a
> coherent relex of one natlang using words from
> another natlang - say
> English syntax with German relexification
> source.
I did that on sci.lang a couple years back:

Omni Gall es divided in tres parts, de quo il
Belgas incollen un, in il ali l'Aquitanas, et in
il terti esun illose quo esun appellad "Celtas"
in sweir propri lingue et "Gallas" in nostra.
Omni hise differren inter illemses in lingue,
institutes et leges. Il Garuna flumen divides il
Gallas del Aquitanas; il Matrona et Sequana
dividen illem del Belgas. De omni hise, il
fortest esun il Belgas ambicause illei esun
longest de Provinciar culte et humanite; et
mercators minim sepen commen ad illem, et
importen illose res quo effeminen il anime; et
illei esun proximest il Germans quo incollen
accruce il Rhena, conquo illei esun contineli
gerring belle. Ad quo cause, il Helvetias omnisi
superceden il Gallas in virtute, ambicause illei
contenden com il Germans in omnimost cotidianli
prelles, quan illei quether repellen illem de su
propri fines oth illemses gerren belle in sweir
fines. Un part de hise, quo, id tens essed
dicted, il Gallas incollen, caps ids inition ad
il flumen Rhodana; id es fined cum il flumen
Garuna, il oceane et il Belgas fines; id fines
omnisi il Sequanas et il Helvetias in il flumen
Rhena, et id verges ad il septentrion. Il Belgas
oriren del extreme fines de Gallia, vergen ad il
inferior part del flumen Rhena; et specten advert
il septentrion et il orienting sol. Aquitania
verges del flumen Garuna ad il Piranese monts, et
ad ist part del ocean quo es proxime Hispania: id
spects ambidu il occasing sol et il septrion
stelle.

The lexicon is Latin, the grammar is a modified
early modern English. Hence, terrible sounding
things like "id tens essed dicted" = "it has been
said". :S

> Relexes can be a
> field for experimental linguistics just as
> non-relexificational conlangs can.
Quite. Experimental conlanging is certainly a
valid activity; though I'm not sure how a relex
can be handy. By definition, a relex uses the
grammar and syntax of one language (usually one's
own native tongue), but has only the outer garb -
the lexis of another language.

Padraic.


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