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Re: Costanice Phonology Sketch

From:Thomas Wier <trwier@...>
Date:Friday, April 15, 2005, 6:45
Jesse wrote:
> The various regional dialects of Koine Greek begin to break up early > into Hellenic and Byzantine groups. When the Turks sacked > Constantinople in 1452
Nitpick: the Turks didn't sack Constantinople until the next year, in 1453. It may or may not be helpful to remember this by knowing that it was the same year the Hundred Years' War officially ended.
> From this point on the language was heavily > influence by Spanish. About 150 years later their descendants began to > emmigrate to South America where, after some oppression and a few > failed revolutions, they eventually got their own state speaking their > offshoot of Greek, now called Costanice ( < konstantinike:).
Why didn't this group of people simply become assimilated to the local culture, as the real Greeks who fled to Italy did? And why does this Greek change so much from the Renaissance until now? In real life, languages that separated even 1000 years ago tend to look very, very similar. Obviously language contact is involved here, so things might be different. I do not mean the following as a criticism of your project, but something I've never understood about certain historical projects like this and Brithenig is the idea that the substrate language (Latin or, here, Greek) would be so influenced by some other language that it would not just adopt hundreds or thousands of the adstrate's lexical items, but also adopt its Lautgesetze, too. To me, unless special circumstances are involved, it seems more likely that such a heavy influence would merely kill off the substrate, rather than change it to look more like the adstrate. ========================================================================= Thomas Wier "I find it useful to meet my subjects personally, Dept. of Linguistics because our secret police don't get it right University of Chicago half the time." -- octogenarian Sheikh Zayed of 1010 E. 59th Street Abu Dhabi, to a French reporter. Chicago, IL 60637

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JS Bangs <jaspax@...>
Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>Brithenig misunderstood (was: Costanice Phonology Sketch)