Re: Old Nindic Object Pronouns
From: | David Peterson <thatbluecat@...> |
Date: | Monday, August 30, 2004, 20:13 |
Elliott wrote:
<<Clitics,
imply to my at least, that they're attached to a word
with little or no morphophonemic changes occuring to
either clitic or host word. If this is the case (which
I'm not sure it is), then these can't be clitics.>>
<snip examples>
Well, in English "n't" is generally believed to be a clitic,
and while it doesn't change "did", "are" or "is", it certainly
does change "will" ("won't"), "do" /duw/ ("don't" /downt/)
and, in some dialects, "shall" ("shan't" [sp?]). Naturally
these sound changes occurred over time because these
forms are so frequently used. I think that sounds a lot like
the examples you listed.
<snip explanation of reduplication>
Ahhh! Yes, that makes sense. Neat!
<<Ha...I couldn't tell you. Mostly a word probably can
consist of four things:>>
Believe me, this is something that's even difficult to
nail down when it comes to natural languages. For
English, I think a word has to have a conventionalized
meaning. So, in the word "master", the "ter" part isn't
a word (even though it's an acceptable phonological
unit) because it has no conventionalized meaning:
"master" is not a compound of the words "mas" and "ter".
However, that's not enough. "n't" has a conventionalized
meaning, but it's not a word because it can't occur by
itself. Therefore, it's a clitic. But is a clitic a word? And,
for that matter, are English articles like "a", "an" and "the"
actually clitics, or are they words? It's a thorny issue
that most just sweep under the rug, because if you get
bogged down in it, you won't be able to get anywhere
else.
Incidentally (and I feel embarrassed for asking this, 'cause
it seems like I should know), is Nindic a priori or aposteriori?
-David
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