Re: Futurese
| From: | Javier BF <uaxuctum@...> |
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| Date: | Wednesday, May 1, 2002, 22:28 |
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>> Japanese 27 consonants!!?? And may I know which ones those
>> are??
>>
>
>Well, on top of my head, Japanese has:
>
>[k]/[g]
>[t]/[d]
>[p]/[b]/[h]/[P]
[h] and [P] are allophones of just one consonant /h/,
being [P] the allophone used when vowel /u/ follows.
>[s]
>[S]
The same, just one consonant /s/, [S] is the
allophone used when vowel /i/ follows.
>[ts]/[dz]
>[tS]/[dZ]
[ts] and [tS] are allophones of /t/, used respectively
when vowel /u/ and vowel /i/ follows.
[dz] and [dZ] are allophones of /d/, used respectively
when vowel /u/ and vowel /i/ follows.
>[w]/[j]
>[n]/[m]/[N] (though the last one is not phonemic but an allophone of /n/
before
Then, please don't count [N] as a Japanese consonant.
>[k] or [g])
>[4]
What ASCIIfication are you using? I don't know what
sound you're referring to with [4].
>and [B] or [v] for some people in loanwords.
If you count the sounds used in loanwords, then Spanish
uses consonant sh.
>I assume of course that you know the X-SAMPA ASCIIification of IPA.
No, because I find SAMPA quite difficult to remember.
>Okay, I don't arrive at 27, but I'm far above your 11.
Japanese consonants are:
/p/, /b/, /m/, /t/, /d/, /n/, /k/, /g/, /h/, /s/ and /r/
I would consider the combinations with [w] and [j]
as diphthongs much rather than considering [w] and
[j] as consonants. But even if you consider them as
consonants, the total amount of Japanese consonants
would remain at 13, way far from 27. Well, and if
you also consider the glottal stop as a separate
consonant, then the total would be 14.
>> I was talking about NORMAL PEOPLE, not about people with
>> articulatory problems.
>>
>
>Well, isn't that an insult towards people with articulatory problems?
Aren't
>they worthy of anything? (especially when you know that children with
>articulatory problems represent a non-negligible percentage of the
children's
>population)
If you start considering the specific needs of those
with articulatory problems, then you simply won't be
able to come up with any suitable sound system at all.
Cheers,
Javier
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