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Re: Futurese

From:Raymond Brown <ray.brown@...>
Date:Friday, May 3, 2002, 19:48
At 4:20 pm +0000 3/5/02, Andreas Johansson wrote:
>Raymonb Brown wrote: >> >>[snip] >> >> >And, as I said, the trill would just be the "ideal" >> >pronounciation; for /r/ any rhotic (including that Chinese >> >"er") will do as long as you make clear the difference with >> >/l/ and /d/. >> >>Any rhotic? Does that cover the Parisian uvular approximant, the trilled >>uvular still occasionally heardin France and found in parts of north Wales, >>e.g. and the Chinese sound denoted by {r} in Pinyin, i.e. [z`]? > >To disallow [z`] for /r/ would seem a bit drastic to me. That may be because >it's a not too uncommon allophone of /r/ in my own speech ... > >But according to the nearest encyclopaedia, Mandarin |r| is [Z], which's of >course already phonematic in Futurese.
According to what I've understood, the Mandarin |r| is _not_ [Z], it is [z`] (voiced retroflex fricative). It's certainly the way described by Paul Kratochvik in "The Chinese Language Today", and in "Modern Chinese: a Basic Course" published by Beijing University. Ray. ====================== XPICTOC ANECTH ======================