Re: Futurese

At 4:20 pm +0000 3/5/02, Andreas Johansson wrote:
>Raymonb Brown wrote:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>> >And, as I said, the trill would just be the "ideal"
>> >pronounciation; for /r/ any rhotic (including that Chinese
>> >"er") will do as long as you make clear the difference with
>> >/l/ and /d/.
>>
>>Any rhotic?  Does that cover the Parisian uvular approximant, the trilled
>>uvular still occasionally heardin France and found in parts of north Wales,
>>e.g. and the Chinese sound denoted by {r} in Pinyin, i.e. [z`]?
>
>To disallow [z`] for /r/ would seem a bit drastic to me. That may be because
>it's a not too uncommon allophone of /r/ in my own speech ...
>
>But according to the nearest encyclopaedia, Mandarin |r| is [Z], which's of
>course already phonematic in Futurese.
According to what I've understood, the Mandarin |r| is _not_ [Z], it is
[z`] (voiced retroflex fricative).  It's certainly the way described by
Paul Kratochvik in "The Chinese Language Today", and in "Modern Chinese: a
Basic Course" published by Beijing University.

Ray.



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