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Re: Language comparison

From:Sai Emrys <saizai@...>
Date:Sunday, January 9, 2005, 23:55
> There is more to language than what is made explicit through words. [...]
Sure. But note example of ASL-influenced "nonverbal communication": I think it would be hard to argue that the added, explicitly linguistic, content doesn't enrich the communication overall. Admitting that, though, would by extension admit the larger idea.
> This could account for why many people underestimate or dismiss them as being unimportant.
I am not among them. However, I would say that they are sub-optimal when it comes to conveying meaning (even that which is often considered "extra-linguistic", like emotional content). E.g., the ASL example.
> Maybe not in a sense that most Westerners are familiar with, but it > exists nonetheless.
I'm curious what you're referring to here. The various readings each character has, or some actual phonetic-alphabet usage? (I don't remember any such thing from my study of Mandarin; we used Pinyin for phonetic descriptions.)
> And anyway, Chinese still represents what is being > spoken, even if it's not through a mainly phonetic means, therefore it is > real writing.
"Represents what is being spoken", then, seems to only mean that there is a way to express the same thing in speech. If I were to, say, create a speech code for expressing a fully 2d writing system, would it then "represent what is being spoken" and qualify as a "real" language system? "Not worth the effort"... reminds me of this other essay - http://paulgraham.com/say.html . - Sai