Re: Sound changes - whither retroflex sounds and glottal stop?

Howdy

> With that out of the way, I want to ask if anyone
> knows what kinds of
> things a) retroflex consonants /.../
> can develop into
>From the top of my head; in my dialect of swedish,
/t`/ and /d`/ are frequently realized as [r`]. So is
/l/, so maybe /t`, d`/ -> /r`/ -> /l/ is a possible
route.

/Kalle B

--- Eric Christopherson <rakko@...> skrev:

> Hi, list!  I've been away for a long time, but I've
> been pulled back
> in to the list and conlanging in general lately.
> For those of you
> who don't know, my main conlangs are Lainesco, which
> was a Romance
> language inspired by Spanish and Portuguese, and
> Dhakrathat, an a
> priori language that I've started over mostly from
> scratch several
> times.  I'm now one of several people working on a
> descendant of an
> already-created protolanguage.
>
> With that out of the way, I want to ask if anyone
> knows what kinds of
> things a) retroflex consonants and b) glottal stop
> can develop into
> -- i.e. what they actually HAVE developed into in
> real-world
> languages, or more-or-less reasonable hypothetical
> outcomes.  I've
> seen the question of where retroflex sounds *come
> from* treated here,
> but not what becomes of them.
>
> Right now, I've tentatively made them develop into
> something roughly
> palatal - either fully palatal or palatalized
> alveolar or alveolar + /
> j/.  This doesn't feel very realistic to me, though.
>  I suppose they
> could easily become alveolar, but that doesn't
> satisfy me since I
> don't want them to merge with the existing
> alveolars.
>
> As for glottal stop, I know it can drop out
> completely, and combine
> with other consonants to form glottalized ones, and
> I think in modern
> Nahuatl at least it comes out as /h/.  I have an
> intuition that it
> might become /N/, but that might be a stretch.
>