Re: Sauron's conlang (was: Intergermansk - Three Rings)
|From:||Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>|
|Date:||Sunday, January 30, 2005, 18:26|
On Sunday, January 30, 2005, at 01:01 , Mark J. Reed wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 07:35:14PM -0500, Pascal A. Kramm wrote:
>> Well, your response to my suggestion (that he did base his conlang on
>> pre-existing langs) seemed indeed to suggest that yyou meant he did
>> create a
>> 'a priori' lang:
I made no such response.
>> "It could have been a completely normal and natural
>> lang before Sauron came and changed Mordor into the Land of Shadows...
>> So if he did *not* create an 'a priori' lang, this is exactly what
>> he used already spoken lang(s) (most probably the previous lang of
>> to create his conlang.
> It seems that one of us misunderstands the terms "a priori" and "a
> And I don't know which one of us Ray agrees with. But I would say that
> Esperanto is an a posteriori lang, not an a priori one - it's vocabulary
> was not made up out of thin air, but based on various existing languages.
Of course Esperanto is an a_posteriori language. There are, I know, one or
two apparently a_priori features in it it, but a good 99% of it is
a_posteriori_. All the auxlangs I listed in my previous mail are
> Even so, there exists no language that you can point to and say "that's
> what Esperanto used to be before it was Esperanto."
With respect to the author of all these conlangs, JRRT said only: "It is
said that the Black Speech was devised by Sauron in the Dark Years.."
I made no other claim than that.
There is *nothing* in JRRT's sentence to suggest whether the creation was
a_priori or a_posteriori or, indeed, mixed. I do, however, know the
meaning of "devised" - everything else is idle speculation.
Please could this rather pointless thread be brought to a close.
Anything is possible in the fabulous Celtic twilight,
which is not so much a twilight of the gods
as of the reason." [JRRT, "English and Welsh" ]