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Re: Sauron's conlang (was: Intergermansk - Three Rings)

From:Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>
Date:Sunday, January 30, 2005, 18:26
On Sunday, January 30, 2005, at 01:01 , Mark J. Reed wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 07:35:14PM -0500, Pascal A. Kramm wrote: >> Well, your response to my suggestion (that he did base his conlang on >> pre-existing langs) seemed indeed to suggest that yyou meant he did >> create a >> 'a priori' lang:
I made no such response.
>> "It could have been a completely normal and natural >> lang before Sauron came and changed Mordor into the Land of Shadows... >> " >> So if he did *not* create an 'a priori' lang, this is exactly what >> happened, >> he used already spoken lang(s) (most probably the previous lang of >> Mordor) >> to create his conlang. >> > > It seems that one of us misunderstands the terms "a priori" and "a > posteriori". > And I don't know which one of us Ray agrees with. But I would say that > Esperanto is an a posteriori lang, not an a priori one - it's vocabulary > was not made up out of thin air, but based on various existing languages.
Of course Esperanto is an a_posteriori language. There are, I know, one or two apparently a_priori features in it it, but a good 99% of it is a_posteriori_. All the auxlangs I listed in my previous mail are a_posteriori.
> Even so, there exists no language that you can point to and say "that's > what Esperanto used to be before it was Esperanto."
> -Marcos > >> -- >> Pascal A. Kramm, author of: >> Intergermansk: >> Chatiga: >> Choton: >> Ichwara Prana: >> Skälansk: >> Advanced English:
With respect to the author of all these conlangs, JRRT said only: "It is said that the Black Speech was devised by Sauron in the Dark Years.." I made no other claim than that. There is *nothing* in JRRT's sentence to suggest whether the creation was a_priori or a_posteriori or, indeed, mixed. I do, however, know the meaning of "devised" - everything else is idle speculation. Please could this rather pointless thread be brought to a close. Ray =============================================== =============================================== Anything is possible in the fabulous Celtic twilight, which is not so much a twilight of the gods as of the reason." [JRRT, "English and Welsh" ]