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Re: /w/ vs /B/

From:Roger Mills <rfmilly@...>
Date:Monday, May 28, 2007, 19:22
Lars Finsen wrote:

> In Old Urianian I have to deal with an unrounded /B/ (from IE bh) > existing alongside the rounded /w/ (unchanged from IE). So far I have > assumed they have independent evolution in later stages of the > language. But since they must sound pretty much alike I wonder if > they will have a tendency to merge. Could anyone with a large > repertoire of natlangs please confirm this, or mention any examples > of the opposite in known natlangs?
Austronesian: in languages where *b lenits to a fricative, it may or may not merge with the reflex of *w. *W is usually assumed to have been labio-velar (though AFAIK only reflected as such in Chamorro of Guam as /gw/); along with *j/y it was rather rare and had distributional oddities. South Sulawesi, Buginese: *b/*w have merged in the surface phonetics (both [w]) but not underlyingly-- l. N+w(*b) > mp-, w(*w) does not occur in that env. 2. w(*w) can have an alternate vocalized pronunciation ['waI] 'water' ~[u'(w)aI], w(*b) cannot. There are also dialects where w(*w) has > h, but not w(*b). OTOH! there are closely related languages in the SSul family where the w>h change has affected both w's, and then moves on > 0. Malay/Indonesian: *w has been lost in most positions except the env. /-a_a-/, and *b has also shifted to /w/ in that env. Both are pronounced as labio-dental approximants. Most words with /w/ are loans from other dialects, Javanese, Skt., Arabic, Dutch etc. Eastern Indonesia: In Kei, both are reflected as written /w/; I don't know the phonetics; but in closely related Fordata (Tanimbar Isl.) *w > w and *b
> v (written).
Leti (SE area) *b > /B/, *w > /w/ Atoni (Timor) both > /f/ Oceanic, Fiji: general OC merger of *b/*p, > Fij./B/ written "v"; *w is retained as /w/ "w" So you can see there are lots of possibilities.