Theiling Online    Sitemap    Conlang Mailing List HQ   

Re: CHAT: Prepositions governing nominative, (X)... case [was Re: CHAT: Back on the list; Anti-conlanging bigots]

From:Andreas Johansson <and_yo@...>
Date:Tuesday, December 11, 2001, 22:24
Thomas Weir wrote:
> >Quoting Andreas Johansson <and_yo@...>: > > > Anton Sherwood wrote: > > >"Thomas R. Wier" wrote: > > > > one day we were discussing how GB handles case marking, and the > > > > question arose whether there are any languages whose adpositions > > > > assign nominative case. I mentioned that I knew off the top of my > > > > head of no natural languages which marked case in that way, though > > > > I did know of a constructed language [Esperanto] that did this. . . > > >um . . . remind me? > > > > Hmm, as some people on this list may be aware, Tairezazh and Steianzh > > violate this rule by having prepositions followed by the nominative*. > > Now, in Kalini Sapak the accusative is the most basic case (used as the > > lexical form, as vocative etc). So, does this mean that it be unnatural >to > > have adpositions govern accusative? > >Generally speaking, no, but it really depends on the number >of distinct cases in the language and what kinds of other uses they >might have and how they uses interact with one another. Is the >accusative morphologically marked by <null>, while the nominative >takes some special ending? Such a system is not unheard of, though >it is far rarer than special marking for the accusative and no marking >for the nominative.
Well, Kalini have Semitoid base system, where the second vowel of a noun showing case: kazal "woman (ACC)" kazul "woman (NOM)" kazil "woman's" (pronounced [kaZil]) So arguably the nominative is no less or more marked than the accusative, but hitherto, the nominative is only used for subjects and the genitive for possession/association. Andreas _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at


Matthew Kehrt <matrix14@...>Prepositions governing nominative,(X)... case [was Re: CHAT: Back on the list; Anti-conlangingbigots]
Thomas R. Wier <trwier@...>Prepositions governing nominative