Re: Bucket

I don't know if this got sent or not; I made a booboo while sidetracked to
google.......

Charlie wrote:
> >Dmitry Ivanov <lingwadeplaneta@...> wrote:
>
> >Does anybody have an idea why the Indonesian word for "bucket" -
> >ember - is so close to the Gipsy word for "bucket" - embra - ?
>
>I am reminded that, when used as a surname, "bucket" is
>pronounce /bu'ke/ :-)
>
And they shop at that bastion of Good Taste [tar\'Ze], right?  In the
meantime, what about that Gypsy word? Seems unlikely they were unfamiliar
with buckets until they got to Holland.......? This makes me wonder if Du.
emmer is a native word, or itself a borrowing. Can't find a Du. etymological
dictionary just offhand....

There is some discussion of the origin of Du. kalkoen 'turkey' here--
http://www.summagallicana.it/Volume1/peru.htm   (scroll down to the
discussion in English)

The word evidently dates in Du. from the 1500s. Seems it isn't < _Calcutta_
(founded or at least named in the 1600s), but rather Calicut (founded much
earlier) in southern India.