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Re: Irish Gaelic is evil!

From:Keith Gaughan <kmgaughan@...>
Date:Wednesday, February 23, 2005, 15:05
Stephen Mulraney wrote:

> Keith Gaughan wrote: > >> For me, I can barely detect any palatalisation down here. For instance, >> I can remember having a discussion with with a friend of mine in first >> year about the how "spideog" is pronounced. She, and she's a gaeilgeoir >> BTW, pronounced it as, as it sounded to me, [spId'o:g], whereas I >> pronounced it as [SpIdZj'og]. > > > I assume the apostrophe is for stress rather than palatalisation? :) > Actually, I haven't paid much attention to the widening gap between > X-SAMPA and CXS - I've been using ['] as palatalisation in my mails, > or rather as a "this consonant is slender" diacritic, in broad > transcriptions. Ah, I've just noticed that the CXS varient is [;].
Ditto here. I've been using it for stress too.
> I notice that you have a short [o] in "spideog", too! Sounds kind of > northern; but then, I'd class the [dZ] as being northern too.
Yup. Palatalisation up home seems to turn /t/ and /d/ into affricates.
>> I couldn't hear any changes between her slender and broad consonants. >> >> Or maybe Irish is losing them under influence from English... > > I don't think so. AFAIK (which is not very far) it's always been like that > in Cork. > > I'm not sure where it is, then, that has the [tj] or something like it. > Maybe Corca Dhuibhne? I can't remember (though I was there last summer & > heard a lot of Irish).
The thing is, I'm beginning to hear those kinds of changes more and more, like the use of [t] and [d] rather than [t_d] [d_d] for /t/ and /d/, a loss of constrast between /k/ and /x/, the loss of [B] up in the northwest and its replacement with a mixture of the southern [w] and northern [v] for _mh_ and _bh_. K.