Tom Wier wrote:
> Carlos Thompson wrote:
>
> > The plural of _mouse_
> > /maws/ is _mouses_ /'mawses/ which is a regular spanish plural, but t=
he plural of
> > _byte_ /bajt/ is _bytes_ /bajts/ an irregular ... well, a regular spa=
nish plural
> > used in borrowins that end in consonants: _chips_, _robots_, _casette=
s_ /ka'sets/
> > (also _casetes_ /ka'setes/).
>
> Question, then: all of those you've mentioned end (in English, at leas=
t) in voiceless
> consonants: by*t*e, chi*p*, robo*t*, etc. What happens when Spanish =
borrows
> a word that ends in a *voiced* consonant? Do they switch to using the =
regular
> Spanish plural, rather than the imported one?
Well... _barman_ /'barrman/ will more probably become _barmans_ /'barrman=
s/ in plural...
but _barmen_ /'barrmen/ will also appear... I will have to check other ex=
amples. Academic
people would tell you to either use the foreign word plural _barmen_ or t=
he standard
Spanish one _b=E1rmanes_ /'barrmanes/.
Some other examples: _radar_ /rra'darr/ -> _radares_ /rra'dares/ (for a r=
adar
instalation), led /leD/ -> leds /lets/ (for light emiting diodes), driver=
/'drajBerr/ ->
drivers /'drajBerrs/... probably it has to do on how foreign the word sou=
nds, like _radar_
which is pronounced with an standard pronunciation, and _driver_ with an =
alien
pronunciation, then the plural of /'rradarr/ would probably be /'rradarrs=
/ and the plural
of /dri'Berr/ would be /dri'Beres/.
> > a pattern: orthography is the same as the original language (usually =
English), and
> > pronunciation is borrowed but adapted into Spanish paterns... (well, =
there are
> > people who say /maUZ/, /baIt_h/, /tSIp_h/, /'draIvr=3D/, etc.)
>
> Though the first three of those are hypercorrections (if they're trying=
to
> achieve a real English pronunciation): /m&us/, /baIt'/, /tSip'/ (wher=
e the '
> represents unrelease of the consonant, which makes it seem almost like =
a
> glottal stop sometimes...)
Well, they were my foults in transcribing English pronunciations... put =
probably
hypercorrections will also happen.
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