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CHAT: barbarisms (was: CHAT: Being both theologically correct and

From:Raymond Brown <ray.brown@...>
Date:Tuesday, May 15, 2001, 4:37
At 9:22 am -0600 14/5/01, dirk elzinga wrote:
>On Mon, 14 May 2001, BP Jonsson wrote: > >> At 08:22 2001-05-13 -0600, dirk elzinga wrote: >> >> >My surname is most often pronounced with stress on the >> >penultima, [El.'ziN.g@] rather than with native Frisian initial >> >syllable stress: ['El.ziN.Xa]. The English accentuation fits the >> >"Latinate" pattern, but "Elzinga" is certainly not a name taken >> >from Classical Antiquity.
Yes, but {z} is not found in native Latin words (or names) and, in any case; the Latinate pronunciation never suggested itself to me for one born in 20th cent. Utah ;)
>> Which pronunciation do you use yourself? > >When I was in the Netherlands, I used the Frisian/Dutch >pronunciation (of course!). Here, I use the Anglicized >['El.'ziN.g@] since I find that people are too disconcerted to >hear: 1) initial stress on a word of more than two syllables >which ends in a vowel, and 2) the Dutch velar fricative.
You've confused me a little. Ain't [X] the uvular fricative? I thought the velar fricative was [x].
>Some >people do give the name initial stress ['El.ziN.g@], but the >final vowel annoyingly often becomes a syllabic /r/ (!).
Interesting - I'd always thought of Elzinga as being stressed on the first syllable; it never occurred to me to do otherwise (and I certainly don't add any final /r/! ) But, not realizing the name was originially Frisian, I'd never thought of pronouncing the {g} as [X]. FWI I'd always 'mentally' pronounced it ['ElzIN@]. Guess I'd better start pronouncing that {g} - but is it [x] or [X] I should use? (I can't bring myself to use the penultimate stress) Ray. ========================================= A mind which thinks at its own expense will always interfere with language. [J.G. Hamann 1760] =========================================


Eric Christopherson <rakko@...>
dirk elzinga <dirk.elzinga@...>barbarisms