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Re: Dublex (was: Washing-machine words (was: Futurese,

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Thursday, May 16, 2002, 13:48
En réponse à Muke Tever <alrivera@...>:

> >, must do penance... rough, horribly rough Ibran > follows... > > Hein, criye qui l'avenei solmient ici dent Chattanooga. [Tciàtånougå] > (le trît part es, l'avenei di vere.) > > Meis les deveneiront le Times Free Press [Tjeupes/Livre Presse], qui es > tras > crétinouse. (Pah! Yeu vui a dormijr.) >
Wow! You've just reinvented Old French!!! ;))) Seriously, it looks really like a langue d'oïl (this small sub-group of Romance languages from which French, Anglo-Norman and Picard come for instance). Things like "livre" for "free" (which has the b>v fricativisation common to all langues d'oïl. I suppose the French "libre" is a loanword, probably from a langue d'oc, or else I cannot explain the anormal presence of the [b] in this position - or maybe analogy or learned borrowing from Latin? -) or the omnipresence of diphtongues make it pretty clear what kind of Romance lang it is :)) . I'd be interested to know the internal history of this language, and if my guess is right :) .
> > ...Need lots of study. 'devenijr' I can see, but the entire conjugation > of > 'vui' I am not sure of at all yet, and dont have time for before bed. > > And when I see 'tempus' become 'tjeup' --/C_v&/p/ at best, [1] but in > the most > vulgar of mouths, namely mine & the NRC accent, becoming [ZEf]-- I cry > real > tears... Oh dearie me... >
Hehe, if you have a good sequence of sound changes to explain it, I don't see the problem :)) . Some dialects of langue d'oïl had (and have, for the few that are still left besides French) very strange phonologies compared to mainstream Romance languages :)) .
> [1] so you dont have to look it up, that's /C_v/ "voiceless palatal > fricative, > with voicing"
What's the difference with a voiced palatal fricative /J/ and a voiceless palatal fricative with voicing? and /&// "either mid front rounded vowel, /2/ or /9/" Where did you get this convention? Or did you invent it? In any case, I find it quite useful! Christophe. Take your life as a movie: do not let anybody else play the leading role.


Muke Tever <alrivera@...>Ibran (was: Dublex