>Herman Miller wrote:
> >> *"Squat reversed esh" and "turned r with fiskhook" (ʅ ɿ): I
> >> have heard that these are "retroflex vowel" and "alveolar vowel", but
> >> that makes little sense.
> >
> >These are used for the sounds in Mandarin Chinese written as "i" in
> >pinyin, in words such as "shi" and "si". Not officially part of the IPA.
> >They sound like prolonged versions of [z`] and [z], but without friction.
Alright ... but then, how are they different from [r\`] and [r\]?
--- Paul Roser wrote:
>The turned-h with hook symbols are *rounded* versions of #645 and #639
>above,
>possibly on analogy with plain turned-h for the rounded semivowel
>equivalent of [y].
Thanks. Yes, that's apparent enough now that you mention it.
John Vertical
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