Subject: Contradictory negation

"no" and "na" look to me a bit like the japanese locution /(to iu) wake de wa nai/.
  Inu ga subete shiroi iro de-aru /to iu wake de wa nai/.
  Dog NOM all white colour are /to iu wake de wa nai/.
  It is not the fact/It doesn't mean that all dogs are white (but it may be something else).
or:
  Inu wa subete shiroi wake de wa nai.
  Dog TOP all white /wake de wa nai/.
  Not all dogs are white.
There is also the locution /sou de wa nai/:
  Inu ga/wa subete shiroi sou de wa nai.
  It doesn't look like/it doesn't mean that all dogs are white.

  Inu ga subete shirosou de wa nai.
  I don't think that all dogs are white.
Or simply the spoken locution /to wa nai/ (with emphasis on "nai") negating the whole sentence.
That's the one i picked for my own conlang:
  Kela a i keta pimo amai pema muti.
  No there-is that all dog have colour white.
  That all dogs are white isn't the case.
Compared to:
  Kela keta pimo amai pema muti.
  No all dog have colour white.
  Not all dogs are white.

John Cowan <jcowan@...> wrote:

>>>>>>>
In Loglan, there is a particle "no" which when placed at the beginning of
a sentence, expresses the falsity of the (rest of the) sentence.
In this position, it can be glossed as "It is false that":

        No ra kangu ga blabi
        [false] all dog [separator] white
        It is false that all dogs are white.

Lojban has a similar particle, with slightly different morphology ("na")
and very different syntax.  It is canonically placed before the verb,
but still has the effect of negating the entire sentence.  Thus:

        ro gerku na blabi
        all dog [false] white

does not mean "All dogs are not white" but rather "It is false that all dogs
are white", i.e. "Not all dogs are white", i.e. "Some dogs are not white".

Are there any natlangs which have negation particles that work like Lojban's?



 
 
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