Re: Conlang for giant caterpillars

In a message dated 5/30/1999 9:55:57 PM, mpearson@POP.UCLA.EDU writes:

>Sally Caves (Sali Otuhko) wrote:
>
>>> As Sally remarked in another message, it's indeed the Welsh 'll'
>>> sound. Valdyan also has it (I transliterate it 'lh'), and IIRC
>>> Teonaht too.
>>>
>>Ooooh YES!  I didn't study Welsh all those years not to pinch it
>>for Teonaht!  It's also in Old English, although we have no real
>>idea how it was pronounced... probably not very strongly, as it
>>dropped out:   hlaf  to loaf,  hleahtor  to laughter.  This may
>>have been a consonant cluster: /xl/.  Interestingly, though, I
>>pronounce ir very much like a softer Welsh "ll" when it probably should
>>have been more like "kl."  But there it is.
>
>There's a lateral fricative in Tokana too, also transcribed "lh".
>However, the Tokana sound is postalveolar and laminal (i.e. pronounced
>with the body of the tongue) while Welsh "ll" is alveolar and apical
>(i.e. pronounced with the tip of the tongue).  Thus, Tokana "lh"
>is to Welsh "ll" as /S/ is to /s/.
>
>Matt.
Eloshtan also has lateral fricatives=97unvoiced and voiced, written ll and r=
r,=20
respectively. They are alveolar in the standard dialect, though in some=20
(there are about ten dialects) they are postalveolar, and in others they=20
become nonlateral (there has to be another word for that!) interdental=20
fricatives. Not quite sure on the laminal and apical etc. stuff.

Josh
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