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Ant: Re: Ant: Palatovelars

From:Steven Williams <feurieaux@...>
Date:Sunday, June 5, 2005, 13:48
--- # 1 <salut_vous_autre@...> schrieb:

> Steven Williams wrote: > > >--- John Vertical <johnvertical@...> > schrieb: > > > Sooo... anyone ever heard/thought of palatovelar > > > consonants? I do not mean palatalized velars / > > > velarized palatals, but rather a place of > > > articulation between these two. Central vowels > > > are all common and good, but they never seem to > > > have even any corresponding semivowels, let > > > alone obstruents?
> >There is a palatovelar semivowel, namely, [H] (the > >initial consonant in the French /huite/ [Hit] or > > the Mandarin Chinese /yuen/ [HVn]). Now, this can > > be seen as a palatalized [w], but it's definitely > > a smoothly-pronounced palatovelar semivowel, at > > least as far as I hear... > > Isn't [H] a labialized palatal? I think that [H] is > to [j] what [y] is to [i], exactly the same but > with rounded lips
(makes random syllables with [H], much to the confusion of the other people in the room) Cor blimey, you're right! Consider me corrected :).
> I think also that [w] is also only a labialised [M\]
Probably right. I'd consider [M\] to be a delabialized [w], but only on the grounds that [w] is the more common, more 'unmarked' phoneme (though there are languages, such as Japanese, which have [M\] and not [w] as the 'core' phoneme for that particular glide).
> None of those are palatovelar, it would glides for > [1] and [}] but I don't think such glides would be > analysed as palatovelars but maybe as [j_q] and > [H_q]
Hmm... The fact that we have to kludge like that to get a palatovelar phoneme seems to tell me that there is no language, or at least there are very few languages, that possess such phonemes. Would you say so? ___________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: