Re: Danish VOT

Den 12. nov. 2008 kl. 11.31 skreiv Lars Mathiesen:

> I did leave in Benct's attribution line, didn't I?
Yes, yes, I meant you quoted me indirectly...

> Note that I said that long consonants do not exist _phonemically_ in
> Danish. There might be _phonetic_ differences in the realization of
> lenes after long vowels, even though I can't hear any, but ...I happen
> to have the description of Danish phonetics that Benct quoted, on my
> desk right now, and it doesn't mention any such differences either.
Okay. The lenes I was thinking of were following short vowels, though.

> One fun factor in play here is that many (but not all) long vowels in
> Danish have creaky voice (stød), which might easily colour your
> perception of the following stop. (Actually the creaky voice is a
> possible feature of stressed syllables with 'long voice', i.e., long
> vowel or short + voiced consonant (stops never being voiced), but I
> don't think you're talking about the latter kind of word here).
Yes, that Danish "stød" is an interesting phenomenon that I have yet
to understand properly.

> Can you give examples of words where you hear stops respectively short
> with little voicing and longer with more voicing?
Ok, the latter kind for example in: sykkel, steppe, slette. The first
kind I found mostly in foreign words like redaktør, regent, and
across words, such as in "gamle danske", for example.

> (If you're ever in Stockholm, I'll be happy to meet and talk Danish at
> you until you've had enough).
Thanks, I'd like to! Then I can do some Swedish experimental
linguistics at the same time. Stockholm can be nice in the summer, I
was there in 2006.

LEF

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