Re: Danish VOT
|From:||Lars Mathiesen <thorinn@...>|
|Date:||Thursday, November 13, 2008, 8:38|
2008/11/12 Lars Finsen <lars.finsen@...>
> Den 12. nov. 2008 kl. 11.31 skreiv Lars Mathiesen:
>> Can you give examples of words where you hear stops respectively short
>> with little voicing and longer with more voicing?
> Ok, the latter kind for example in: sykkel, steppe, slette. The first kind I
> found mostly in foreign words like redaktør, regent, and across words, such
> as in "gamle danske", for example.
Ah. In Danish, the maximal onset rule isn't valid for posttonic
syllables with non-full vowels (i.e., syllables with schwa and the
endings -ig, -isk, -ing), which means that the stops you hear as long
with voicing are coda consonants of closed (short, stressed)
syllables, and the others are onsets of (short, stressed or pretonic)
syllables with full vowels. (That's according to Grønnum. According to
me, the long type may be ambisyllabic). They are still realized the
same, as far as I, Benct, and Nina Grønnum can tell.
In the 'long type,' do you actually hear the schwa of the second
syllable? (It may not always be there; in the 'cykel' type it just
makes the /l/ syllabic, and a lone schwa after a short syllable may
fall to syncope: "Vil du slette den der?" /vel d_0u slEd_0@ d_0En
d_0eR/ [ʋe.ɾo.ˈsl̥ɛd̥.n̩.ˌd̥eɐ̯] [v\e.4o."sl_0Ed_0.n=.%d_0e6_^]).
Anyway, I have no skills in perceptory phonetics or Norwegian
phonotactics, so I'll leave it to Benct to explain your findings in
terms of native language bias.