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Re: CHAT: vowel reduction (was Re: CHAT: A flat minor)

From:Muke Tever <mktvr@...>
Date:Wednesday, October 23, 2002, 11:55
From: "Isaac A. Penzev" <isaacp@...>
> In addition to the previous post: > ObConlang: Does any of your conlangs have regular vowel > reduction bound to stress shift, like in Russian [dOm] > - [dV"ma] "house" - "houses", ["gOr@t] - [g@rV"da] > "city" - "cities"; or (Old) Hebrew [kQ:"Bo:D] - > [k@Bo:"Do:] "glory" - "his glory", [zQ:"qe:n] - > *[z@q@"ne:] > [ziq"ne:] "elder" - "elders of"?
Kirumb's descendants did at one point (I'm not sure if this is retained.. it's been awhile since I've even looked into them). [ISTR a really, really old form for 'raccoon'--[run] sg., ["rAoni] pl.] Henaudute only has initial stress, so no. Trentish--I'm not even sure where the stress is yet, but there's no changes. Ibran has vowel *lengthening* due to stress shifts. You have forms like: amaar ["AmA:] "to love" amaré [a"mAre] "I/he/she/it will love" I'm not sure how realistic that is, but what happens is that the original stressed syllable was also somewhat longer, and when the stress shifted [stress moves back one syllable] the length remained. (The length of the [e] doesn't change, since it's from an earlier diphthong, [eI] I think, that gets reduced after the stress shift.) My notes here indicate *something* like this is supposed to happen in my yet-unnamed dragon language. There are two schwalike proteins.. um.. phonemes in the protolanguage. They're supposed to assimilate somewhat to "full" vowels in drakish and... ... well, I find this set of correspondences somewhat suspect, and I may end up retooling them. Here's the mystery list. The roots all have a blank space, which was filled with a new schwa based on.. the following vowel, I suppose. [Been a while.. really either gotta keep up or annotate better] däG-n = däGäní dexen [second e has breve] d@m-n = d@mäní dVmèn dän-G = dänäGi denèx d@hh-s = d@hhäsí dohès [o should actually be V, see b'low] däGí -> dèG (dêx?) dMxí -> dMx [M with grave] --------------------- Gär-kk = Gäräkkí -> GerekkV GerèkkV ä?-r = ä?@rí e?Vr [V with grave] @n-s = @n@sí [s with dot] VnVT [V with grave, T-approximant] @n-d = @nädí Vnèd häz-G = häzäGí esex [second e with breve] @ss-kk = @ss@kkí [first @ with undertilde] VssVkkV [first V with und~, second with grave] I gather that the bits on the left are the proto-roots, the bits on the right of the eqsigns protoforms, and the bits on their own lines are the hypothetical drakish outcomes. [The preponderance of [V], and the [M], are consequences of no-rounded-vowels acting on what ought to be [o] and [u].] The stress seems to move back a syllable to create a grave accent, then the final vowel drops. I don't know where the breves come from. :| *Muke! --