Re: CHAT: vowel reduction (was Re: CHAT: A flat minor)
|From:||Muke Tever <mktvr@...>|
|Date:||Wednesday, October 23, 2002, 11:55|
From: "Isaac A. Penzev" <isaacp@...>
> In addition to the previous post:
> ObConlang: Does any of your conlangs have regular vowel
> reduction bound to stress shift, like in Russian [dOm]
> - [dV"ma] "house" - "houses", ["gOr@t] - [g@rV"da]
> "city" - "cities"; or (Old) Hebrew [kQ:"Bo:D] -
> [k@Bo:"Do:] "glory" - "his glory", [zQ:"qe:n] -
> *[z@q@"ne:] > [ziq"ne:] "elder" - "elders of"?
Kirumb's descendants did at one point (I'm not sure if this is retained.. it's
been awhile since I've even looked into them). [ISTR a really, really old form
for 'raccoon'--[run] sg., ["rAoni] pl.]
Henaudute only has initial stress, so no.
Trentish--I'm not even sure where the stress is yet, but there's no changes.
Ibran has vowel *lengthening* due to stress shifts.
You have forms like:
amaar ["AmA:] "to love"
amaré [a"mAre] "I/he/she/it will love"
I'm not sure how realistic that is, but what happens is that the original
stressed syllable was also somewhat longer, and when the stress shifted [stress
moves back one syllable] the length remained. (The length of the [e] doesn't
change, since it's from an earlier diphthong, [eI] I think, that gets reduced
after the stress shift.)
My notes here indicate *something* like this is supposed to happen in my
yet-unnamed dragon language. There are two schwalike proteins.. um.. phonemes
in the protolanguage. They're supposed to assimilate somewhat to "full" vowels
in drakish and... ... well, I find this set of correspondences somewhat suspect,
and I may end up retooling them.
Here's the mystery list. The roots all have a blank space, which was filled
with a new schwa based on.. the following vowel, I suppose. [Been a while..
really either gotta keep up or annotate better]
däG-n = däGäní
dexen [second e has breve]
d@m-n = d@mäní
dän-G = dänäGi
d@hh-s = d@hhäsí
dohès [o should actually be V, see b'low]
däGí -> dèG (dêx?)
dMxí -> dMx [M with grave]
Gär-kk = Gäräkkí
ä?-r = ä?@rí
e?Vr [V with grave]
@n-s = @n@sí [s with dot]
VnVT [V with grave, T-approximant]
@n-d = @nädí
häz-G = häzäGí
esex [second e with breve]
@ss-kk = @ss@kkí [first @ with undertilde]
VssVkkV [first V with und~, second with grave]
I gather that the bits on the left are the proto-roots, the bits on the right of
the eqsigns protoforms, and the bits on their own lines are the hypothetical
drakish outcomes. [The preponderance of [V], and the [M], are consequences of
no-rounded-vowels acting on what ought to be [o] and [u].]
The stress seems to move back a syllable to create a grave accent, then the
final vowel drops. I don't know where the breves come from. :|