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Re: OT coins and currency

From:Isaac Penzev <isaacp@...>
Date:Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 21:55
Mark J. Reed jazdy:

> On 1/11/06, Isaac Penzev <isaacp@...> wrote: > > Yes, they are the same in spelling, and different in propnunciation. Ru. > > |Европа| [jiv"rop@] > > [jiv]? Really?
By Ghu! It is [jiv...]
> How did that happen? I would expect [jEv] or [jev] > from that spelling.
Ha ha ha. This is called vowel reduction! In literary standard, only *stressed* |е| is [e] (or, bettersay, smth average between [e] and [E]). Unstressed, it becomes [i] (or, as some people insist, [@_+] with palatalization of the preceding consonant). The same is true about |и| and |я|, only they are [_ji] and [_ja] when stressed. The situation with |о| is even worse. It is [o]±[O] when stressed, [V] in immediately preceding prestressed syllable, and [@]/[@_-] everywhere else, and mixes with |а| that is [a] when stressed. So the Russian language needs an orthographic rule to distinguish between е-и-я triplet and о-а pair in unstressed position. An hundreds of words in a learnt by heart list that have them there just for etymological reasons, and cannot be checked according to the rule, like e.g. |заяц| ["zaj@_+ts)] 'hare'. Only Ghu knows why it is written with я… I'm glad Ukrainian has only one pair (е [E] - и [I]) merged in unsressed position. But even there you should beware of duplets like мене 'me.Acc' vs. мине 'it will pass by', both read as [me"nE].

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