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Re: Éadig Éowine

From:And Rosta <and.rosta@...>
Date:Sunday, June 10, 2007, 22:04
Benct Philip Jonsson, On 21/05/2007 20:48:
> And Rosta skrev: >> Well, based on what has been put forward so far, plus the >> analogy of _Edwin_, I'd go for _Edy Ewin_ /'edi 'ju:In/ as >> our best guess unless anybody can improve on it. The >> <Edy>:/'edi/ looks odd; one wd expect <Eddy> or /'i:di/ >> given the usual spelling--pronunciation patterns; but I >> lack the knowledge to make sense of this. > > Most certainly _Eady_, as the _éa_ was long in OE a would > remain so through Middle and New English éa(*) > E: > e: > > i:, modulo the loss of phonemic length in some Modern 'lects > ("this is not YAEPT, this is not YAEPT, this is not YAEPT...") > which would still give /i/ and not /I/ or /E/. Funny > coincidence that my mother happens to be an Edith/Edie -- > which of course is from the same root and might/should be > spelled _Eadith_ (OE Éadgýþ).
So is the /E/ in Edward, Edwin, Edmund due to shortening in a closed syllable?
> (* I'm leaving the pronunciation of OE _éa_ open, since > there is no scholarly agreement, and my own view is a > minority one.)
Ooh, tell me your view and the reasons... (I am agnostic out of inexpertise.)
>> As for York, on the Conculture list we once decided that >> without the Danes it would have ended up as Everwich >> /'ev(@)rIdZ/. Or was it Yorwich, /'jQrIdZ/ (rhymes with >> Norwich and porridge)? I forget which... > > Why not Ewrich /'jurIdZ/, as a compromise and analogous > to _hafoc > hawk_, although I do suspect influence from > Old Norse _haukr_ there (Old Danish probably already > being /h2:kr/.)
We didn't consider Ewrich (tho Norse influence such as analogy with _haukr_ would not have been allowable in the hypothetical scenario). But I'm not sure how you got to _Ewrich_ rather than, say, _Ewerwich_ /'ju@rIdZ/. We could really do with a Ray Brown of Old English, couln't we...
> > /Eady Ewine Edieson