Re: Ordering of case names

On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:58:19 +0000 Andreas Johansson scripsit:

> Yitzik wrote:
>> P. - Predlozhnyj - L. (or lit. "Prepositional", since in Ru. and Uk.
>> it is used only in combination with certain prepositions).
>
> Funny. In Yargish the locative is only used with postpositions ...
> perhaps I
> should be renaming it "postpositional"? Then perhaps not, since it
> with most
> postpositions have a decidedly locative meaning. Eg _u-diriz-zata_
> with the
> locative of _dir_ "forest" means "in the forest", _u-diru-zata_ with
> the
> dative means "into the forest" and _u-dira-zata_ with ergative means
> "out of
> the forest". Is the situation in Russian and Ukrainian similar?
To some extent yes. In Uk. it is still called "locative", but Ru. grammar
uses term "prepositional", because a couple of prepositions demand this case
having no particular locative meaning. E.g., preposition |o| "about" demands
P., so |o syne| means "about (the) son", where |syne| is a P. from |syn|
"son". In Uk. only prepositions with locative meaning are used with L.: |u
khati| "in (the) house", |na stini| "on the wall", |pry dorozi| "by the
road".

> And what
>about Belorussian, BTW?
I don't know much about Be., but what I find in my reference materials shows
that they call it |miesny| "locative", and it is used the same way as in Uk.

ObConlang: My quite fresh (and still veeeery raw) project Kumanzha has a
case called Locative, but its meaning is quite wider. It may be used:
-- in locative meaning
|vorman| "forest" -- |vormanda| "in (the) forest";
-- in instrumental meaning
|pychak| "knife" -- |pychaxta| "with (a) knife";
-- in comitative (?) meaning (not quite sure yet)
|sövmek| "love" -- |sövmekte| "with love".

Yitzik
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