Re: "Glede"

At 2:51 pm -0500 4/8/01, Thomas R. Wier wrote:
>Raymond Brown wrote:
>
>> _glede_ or _gleed_ (both spellings are found) - is a (Brit) English dialect
>> word meaning "a hot coal" or "burning ember" << O.E. gle:d (cf. Dutch
>> _gloed_, German _Glut_, Swedish _glöd_)
>>
>> These words are all, surely, cognate with "glow"?
>
>I wouldn't call them cognate...  more like phonesthemes,
Like glimmer, glitter, gleam etc?

No, I meant more specifically that _glede_ was ultimately derived from the
same source as _glow_.  The German _glühen_ (to glow, be incandescent) and
_Glut_ (heat, glow, glowing fire, glede) must surely be related and not
merely examples of the Germanic gl- phonesteme.

O.E. gle:d, I assume comes from an earlier *glö:d, where *glo:- has been
subject to i-umlaut.  (The working of umlaut in the modern German forms
appears to be the opposite to the English pair of words.)
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At 4:34 pm -0400 4/8/01, Muke Tever wrote:
[snip]
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>'Gleed' presumably from Germanic *glô-di-z and 'glow' from *glô-.
>
That's the sort of thing I had in mind.

Ray.

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