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Re: Re : Re: Ong Rokbeigalmki (A Rokbeigalmki Chant)

From:Christophe Grandsire <grandsir@...>
Date:Thursday, September 30, 1999, 7:14
Thomas R. Wier wrote:
> > "From Http://Members.Aol.Com/Lassailly/Tunuframe.Html" wrote: > > > 2nd pl. pers. of "aller" ("to go") > > je vais > > tu vas > > il/elle va > > nous allons > > vous allez > > ils/elles vont > > one french most regular verbs (future : "j'irai" etc.) > > That looks to be an interesting example of suppletion > there. Do you know anything about its origins? >
Most of them come from the Latin verb IRE, but as for 'aller' itself I don't know.
> And what are the phonetic renderings of those forms? > (I'm a nonfrancophone here.) >
Okay. In my French, it is: aller: /al'e/ je vais: /Z(@)v'E/ tu vas: /tyv'a/ il/elle va: /il/Elv'a/ nous allons: /nuzal'O~/ vous allez: /vuzal'e/ ils/elles vont: /il/Elv'O~/
> > given that - according to the francophonie's choatic and ruinous plans - > > french must be the 2nd millenium's ial > > (you mean third millennium, right?) > > > i suggest that > > - for the sake of mere regularity - "allez" be spelled "alez". > > more scientific improvements welcome. > > Well, that depends on a lot of things, on an (explicit) understanding > of the entire grammatical system of French. For example, if French > pronouns really do act more like prefixes now on verbs than as > separate unbound morphemes, it might be better to accept this in the > official orthography. >
Don't even think of it :) ! French people are very conservative of their orthography (well, at least those who can master it). There's a sadist tendency of making pupils suffer when they want to learn how to write correctly :) .
> ======================================================= > Tom Wier <artabanos@...> > ICQ#: 4315704 AIM: Deuterotom > Website: <http://www.angelfire.com/tx/eclectorium/> > "Cogito ergo sum, sed credo ergo ero." > > Denn wo Begriffe fehlen, > Da stellt ein Wort zur rechten Zeit sich ein. > -- Mephistopheles, in Goethe's _Faust_ > ========================================================
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