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Re: writing system for *eestaak

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Wednesday, December 11, 2002, 20:12
En réponse à bnathyuw <bnathyuw@...>:

> > <etymological digression> > > anyway, the working name for the language is eestaak > /'e:sta:k/, which, believe it or not ( of course you > do, this is Conlang ) is derived from the root |tarak| > with the prefix |ged|. *|gedtarak| contains two closed > syllables, so the rules of consonant compression give > |e0edta0ak| ( they're zeros, and the initial |e| is > epenthetic ) > |eedtaak|. |d| devoices and compresses > to |s| and you have |eestaak| > > </etymological digression> >
Wow! If you added irregularity, you would have a pure case of Maggelity ;))) . Of course, it would be even more Maggelish if you pronounced the word according to its final form "eestaak" but always wrote it |gedtarak|!!! :))) My Itakian does a bit like that by having a purely phonemic script (although it doesn't mark tone), but the actual pronunciation of a word is always very far from its phonemic start ;))) .
> > there were originally nasal vowels, but these become > homorganic nasals : > > Nk Ng nt nd mp mb > ( ie, all other letters assimilate ) >
Do you mean that a former sequence nasal vowel+k became simple vowel+Nk? While for instance a former sequence nasal vowel+s became simple vowel+s, simply?
> in closed syllables consonants compress : > > k g h t d s z r p b f v w > h 0 0 s z h 0 0 f v w w 0 > ( zeroes again ) > > Nk Ng nt nd mp mb > Ng NN nd nn mp mm >
This is not clear to me. Which consonant compresses? According to your first example, it's the onset consonant which compresses, not the coda consonant. A strange feature in my opinion (but as you know, I love strange features ;))) ). One question: when does the epenthetic vowel appear and why?
> > so : my proposed syllabary : > > ka ga ha ta da sa za ra pa ba fa va wa > ke ge he te de se ze re pe be fe ve we > ko go ho to do so zo ro po be fo vo wo > > all of these can be marked with one of two diacritics > : > ` and ° ( raised circle ) > > ` marks the consonant as compressed. the nature of the > consonant therefore changes, and the vowel of the > following syllable is dropped > > ° marks the syllable as nasal. as nasalised syllables > are also closed, the consonant compresses again, and > the following syllable's consonant is subject to > various changes > > so : > eestaak would be written ege`setara`ka > annag would be a°da`ga > dihogga would be deso`goga > eezzes would be ege`dede`se > > > > so : what do people think ? does this sound plausible > ? workable ? confusing ? >
Well, there's just one thing I want to make clear. You say that ` marks a consonant as compressed. But you always put it on the coda consonant (which according to your examples doesn't change) while it's the *onset* consonant of the syllable which compresses (there again, I'm just following your examples). Now, there's nothing wrong in that, but you cannot say that ` marks the *compressed* consonant. You can say that ` marks the coda consonant. In such, it just indicates that you don't pronounce the vowel of the syllabic sign marked by `. Now since you have a coda consonant, the syllable containing it is closed and its *onset* consonant compresses. But this needn't be marked by the syllabary since compression is completely predictable by the presence of a coda consonant. The same thing happens with the nasal sign. It indicates that the consonant of the syllabic sign is nasal, which phonetically corresponds to the presence of a nasal coda to the *previous* syllable, which thus is closed, and thus its *onset* consonant will compress. There again, being completely predictable you don't need to mark the compressed consonant in any way. Well, I'm not really criticising you, actually I find the system quite neat. But I'm under the impression you don't really understand the system you made yourself, or you've not been very good at explaining it :)) . You seem to think (or at least you explain it that way) that your marks show a compressed consonant, while they show only the presence of a coda, which triggers the compression of the onset consonant (which is not marked in any way in your script) of the closed syllable. About the script itself, I find the system very realistic. It combines features of the Devanagari (the ` is definitely a virama, a sign showing that the vowel of the syllabic sign *mustn't* be pronounced) and of Linear B (like the use of the syllable sign with the same vowel as the previous one to mark a coda consonant - ie. tak is written ta-ka, tek te-ke -). All in all, a very plausible script.
> later i'll post some images and see what people think > on them, >
I can't wait to see them!!! :)) Christophe. Take your life as a movie: do not let anybody else play the leading role.


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