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Re: Examples #5: Translate the One Ring poem

From:Roger Mills <rfmilly@...>
Date:Sunday, January 16, 2005, 0:08
Three rings for the elven kings under the sky
Seven for the dwarf lords in their halls of stone
Nine for mortal men doomed to die
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
in the land of Mordor where the shadows lie
One ring to rule them all,
one ring to to find them
One ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
in the land of Mordor where the shadows lie

karunile çehamali ri vaka neleç, aniti sit--
karunile kakramboli ri punaçni cangar, sot--
kaçile kayi re horem ya yuçoñi, san--
kranisa calandruwe ri kungulani oramba, mes--
ri vaka krahangamaç ri içinin Mondor.

mes anit re nin vetrita yuno, nin yatromat,
mes anit re nin runjanga yuno, nin yakoceñ
ri vaka krahangamaç ri içinin Mondor.


karun-il-e çehama-l-i ri vaka nele-ç, anit-i sit(=sila)
lord-PL-DAT spirit-PL-GEN LOC under sky-PL, ring-GEN three

karun-il-e ka/krambo-l-i ri puna-ç-ni cangar, sot (=sor)
lord-PL-DAT dwarf-PL-GEN LOC house-pl-their stone, seven

kaç-il-e kayi re  horem ya yuçhom-ni, san (=sana)
man-PL-DAT alive REL die is destiny-their, nine

kra-nisa ca-landru-e ri kungula-ni oramba, mes (=mesa)
PEJ-king SUPERL-high-DAT LOC throne-his dark, one

ri vaka kra-hangaham-ç ri içinin Mondor
LOC under PEJ-cloud-PL LOC country Mordor

mes anit re nin vetrita yuno, nin ya-tromat
one ring REL 3pl/ACC govern all, them 3s-find

mes anit re nin run-janga yuno, nin ya-koceñ
one ring REL 3pl/ACC CAUS-gather all, them 3s-bind (magically)

ri vaka krahangamaç ri içinin Mondor
(same as above)

(For "mes anit re..." we might also have "mes anit va..."[for vara] 'one
ring in-order-to....)

When originally presented, this received some criticism from dedicated
Tolkienists, who pointed out the Elves are not "spirits", and that "highest
(PEJ)king" was not "Dark Lord".  Well, it's an adaptation-- so far at least
there is nothing like JRRT's Elves in Cindu mythology; Dark Lord was changed
to avoid repeating "oramba"; furthermore dwarfism is so rare amongst the
Kash (and modern Gwr, where they would tend to be aborted [sorry about
that]) that there is only a dim memory of it, from pre-Destruction Gwr
culture.
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Just for fun, here it is in the original version and spelling from several
years back:

karunile shehamali ri waka nelesh, aniti sit-
karunile kakramboli ri punani cangar, sot-
kashile kayi re nile yushom horem, san-
krakakarun calandruwe ri kungulani oramba, mes-
ri waka krahangamash ri ishinin Mondor.

Mes anit yuno nin wetrita, nin yatromat,
Mes anit yuno nin runjanga, nin yakoceñ
ri waka krahangamash ri ishinin Mondor

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Roger Mills <rfmilly@...>