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Re: Hospitable/hostile (Was: Dipping my toe in the water)

From:Lars Henrik Mathiesen <thorinn@...>
Date:Monday, January 28, 2002, 23:38
> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:49:04 -0500 > From: Vasiliy Chernov <bc_@...> > > On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:43:19 -0000, Lars Henrik Mathiesen <thorinn@...> > wrote: > >French /d2/: not too weird, but I'm too lazy to look up how it came to > >have a front rounded vowel. > > duo:s > do:s > dous > d2ys > d2:x > d2h > d2: > d2
Thanks --- I guess that's fronting caused by the /s/. By the way, is that x an X-SAMPA /x/? I thought that French just dropped consonants in absolute final position, no bother with intermediate lenitions...
> >Armenian /Erku/: /d/ and /r/ can both be realized as a flap [4], /w/ > >often has some velar constriction, and then an epenthetic vowel: > > > > */dwo/ > [4wo] > [4ku] > /rku/ > /Erku/ > > Or perhaps dw- > dg_w- > rg_w- > rk_w- > ...
Indeed, a voiced labiovelar is more plausible as the intermediary for /w/ > /k/ -- I knew I had forgotten something. I haven't been able to find out what the accepted view is on the order of the changes, but I still think it looks better if the first stop is changed to something different before another is introduced: */dwo/ > /L*wo/ > /L*g_wo/ > /L*k_wo/ > /rk_wo/ > /rku/ > /Erku/ where /L*/ is some alveolar liquid phoneme that can not be determined more precisely --- /d/ > /l/ as a direct step may be more common than /d/ > /r/. Lars Mathiesen (U of Copenhagen CS Dep) <thorinn@...> (Humour NOT marked)