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Re: Delurking...

From:John Vertical <johnvertical@...>
Date:Thursday, June 16, 2005, 6:53
--- In, Henrik Theiling wrote:
> > original language, some of them have become quite mangled (eg 97: >b'rk'li > > /b=.r`=k.'lI/, 106 sieboaRgi /siI.'boOR\.G\I/). > >Could you give the phonotactics of that language? Looks like fun.
They're still kinda in progress... but anyway: Onset clusters: /ss`/, /s`s/, /tl/, /pl/, /qR\_0/, /tr/, and /pB\_0R\_0)/ (that last phone thingamajig is a voiceless labiouvular trill), flap versions of all trill clusters and allophonically voiced versions of all stop+appr. clusters. Coda clusters: /ss`/, /s`s/. (These are treated as separate phonemes, actually.) The labiouvular trill is a very recent addition, and I also lately regularized the allophonic voicing of stops and stop clusters (the /d/ vs /t/ and /q/ vs /G\/ distinctions remain- and I have and explanation now for the lack of a separate /b/ phoneme too: /d g G\/ arised from labialized stops, after which /g G\/ merged.) So eg. element 97 is now /pB\_0R_0)=.k='lI/ Intersyllabic clusters are currently limited to: /mb nt nd Nk N\q N\G\/ /fp ft st sk s`t s`k s`q xt xk Xq/ /fl sl s`R\ XR\/ /l: R\: m: n: N:/ Any other attempted clusters result in the first consonant becoming syllabic. Any single consonant may occur word-initially. I've not yet worked out complete rules for consonants which may occur word-finally, but I'm going to keep it rather restricted... I've considered eg. collapsing all word-final stops into /?/.
> > The phonemic inventory consists of five clicks (blb, dnt, alv, rfx, > > pal), > >Are they modified in any way? Clicks can be modified so nicely! >(But without pulmonic air...)
Nope, besides the labialization, they're all "plain". I'm trying to keep the language pronouncable without Xhoisan heritage, mind you :)
> > a labiodental ejective fricative /f`/, and a weird rhotic > > sound which I cannot quite classify ("interdental unvoiced ejective > > asymmetric lateral fricative trill" could be a guess). > >I think I know what you mean. :-) But I cannot pronounce it quickly >enough to think of speaking words like that.
I think it's pretty quick to pronounce... if we're speaking of the same sound. One further thing I've realized about this sound is that it requires saliva - maybe "gargle" would be a better category than "fricative trill".
> > Vowels: > > aeiou = /aEIOu\/. Long variants exist, too. These are not plain long >vowels > > - I currently analyze them as diphthongs: /aV eE iI oO u\U/, > >Quite strange, but does not even look too impossible...
To be more exact, the a's are /a_"/ and /a_"V_x/. This is based on a strange Finnish idiolect (whose origin I do not recall, might have heard it IRL or just invented it) with /a_" E I O U u\ a_" @/ for /A e i o u y & 9/.
> > Grammatically, I'm going for a fairly noun-based system; there will only >be > > a couple of auxiliary verbs, and all verbal constructs will need a >further > > noun to describe the action itself (so each "verb" would seem like an > > idiom). Simple relations, like identity or existence, will be >expressable > > without verbs at all; most likely with conjunctions. > >Please show us more as soon as you have more. Looks like fun. I like >noun based langs, too. Two of my languages have no noun/verb >construction and my newest idea consists only of nouns, prepositions, >and serial 'verb' construction.
Sure. I'll set up a website as soon as I've got enough material.
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