Re: not un-/anti-passive

On Jun 19, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Ph. D. wrote:

> Eldin Raigmore wrote:
>>  Josh; I'd never heard of the "circumstantial voice" before! Does
>> it resemble any applicative "voices"?  How is it different?  Is
>> there an online reference to how Malagasay uses it?
>
> It's hard to find much info about Malagasy, but it
> seems to have three voices: active, passive, and circumstantial
> (which I personally refer to as the
> oblique). Something like this:
>
> Active: Sarah washed the clothes with the soap.
>
> Passive: The clothes were washed by Sarah with the soap.
>
> Circum: The soap washed-with by Sarah the clothes.
>
> This raises an oblique argument to a subject which
> is needed because in Malagasy the headword of a
> relative clause must be the subject in that clause.
> "I bought the soap, washed-with-which by Sarah
> the clothes."
Wow, strange coincidence -- that sort of voice just occurred to me
the other day, and I wondered if it was ANADEW.

>
> I believe Tagalog works like this, too, but it has a
> couple more "voices" like locative and benefactive, perhaps. This
> seems to be a better approach to analyzing "trigger" languages than
> "triggers."
>
> --Ph. D.