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Re: USAGE: Other Note more on topic - Inuit jargon?

From:Keith Gaughan <kmgaughan@...>
Date:Friday, July 14, 2006, 15:20
On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 01:21:14AM -1000, Michael Adams wrote:

> We do know of Irish monastics who say Iceland as home until forced out,
There's no archaeological evidence to support that, however likely it may have been. It's also worth noting that Iceland has been settled by the Norse since the 1100s and that the population has always been a mixture of Gaels and Norse. It's widely held that the original population consisted more or less of Gaelic women and Norse men.
> Irish myth has :"Tir Na Og" (sort of Heaven, land of ever young) to the west.
It's "Tír na nÓg": not the capitalisation and the letters 'n'. Though that name's still used, it's someting of an archaicism. In modern Irish Gaelic, it'd be more correctly called "Tír na hÓige". In Scots Gaelic, I believe it's called "Tír nan Óg". It wasn't a heaven: you didn't go there when you died. It does, however, play a similar role in mythology to Valhalla, Elysium, Hesoid's Isle of the Blessed, Avalon, and so on. It was where the Tuath De Danann went when they left Ireland. In Christian terms, Eden would be a better analogue. It's _definitely_ not to be equated with Iceland. The climate's completely wrong for a start, and it's too far north. The Canary Islands or even North America. A similar myth is that of Oilean Uí Breasail, called "Brazil" in English (not to be confused with the country of the same name, the origin of which is quite separate). It's almost definitely North America, or part of it, and lent it name to the concultural state I describe below.
> Anyone ever worked on a Jargon or Creole before? For this idea, Inuit > and Irish or Inuit and Norse?
Yes, I have, but my work is trapped on another machine that had an electrical failure. The harddrive's still good, but I need to get the machine fixed. I didn't get as far with it as I would have liked due to time constraints. It didn't really have much in the way of Inuit influcences, it being spoken by the descendents of Norse and Irish colonists who settled in *here*'s New England and Nova Scotia.
> Sort of a what if, the Inuit did make it to Iceland and maybe even beyond,
It's not wholly unrealistic that some may have anyway. Regardless, if they have then they've been absorbed into the general population.
> like to Scotland/Orkneys. I can see it, after visiting both the Orkneys > and Teller Alaska, they look ALOT alike..
That's somewhat more fanciful, believe me. K. -- Keith Gaughan - - Women in love consist of a little sighing, a little crying, a little dying -- and a good deal of lying. -- Ansey