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Re: Rating Languages

From:Roger Mills <romilly@...>
Date:Friday, September 28, 2001, 5:43
Nik Taylor wrote:


>David Peterson wrote: >> 2.) I'm eating (present/present progressive): "What are you doing?" "I'm >> eating; what's it look like?" > >Which can sometimes be used in the future "I'm leaving tomorrow at noon" >or as a habitual "He's going to school at UF" > >Speaking of English, has anyone else encountered "be staying" for >"live"? E.g., "I'm staying at the Avenues [an apartment complex]" I >don't think I've encountered it used for a place that you own, it might >be restricted to rental situations. Still, I'd use "live" in those >cases.
"Living" for me implies some permanency, "staying" transciency. Even in a case like "Where are you staying?/living while your house is being renovated?" "I'm living (not _staying_) in an apartment" It's getting rather late; more on this tomorrow. (snip)
> >> 3.) I'll eat (promisary): "You're going to eat your vegetables, right?"
"Yes,
>> mom, I'll eat them." >> 10.) I'll eat (conditional): "I'll eat if you get me something." (Here
the
>> emphasis is on the action taking > >I think these are the same. You're promising to eat *IF* that condition >is met. > >> 11.) I eat (past iterative): "So I eat this big sandwich and I get this
awful
>> stomach-ache afterwards!" >> (This is used when relating a story. I didn't know what name to give >> it...) > >Simple present tense. You're relating a past event as if it were taking >place at the present time. > >> 13.) I was going to eat (past interrupted): "I was going to eat when I
was
>> struck down by the Lord." > >Related to that is the "future past", "I was about to eat", which can be >interrupted, but doesn't have to be, like "What were you doing at 5:00 >yesterday?" "I was about to eat" > >> 14.) I will've eaten (properfect): "Don't worry, Ma. By the time your
asleep
>> I will've eaten." > >I will've eaten sounds odd to me. I'd say either I'll've eaten or I'll >have eaten or I will have eaten. > >Future perfect is the normal term. > >> 20.) I'm about to eat (immediate future): "Hey, can you help me with
this?"
>> "I'm about to eat; can it > >In the South, the adverb (?) is often "Fixin'" or "fittin'" "I'm fixin' >to eat" > >> I wonder what other native English speakers will think of my little >> list...? > >Well, I think you're leaving some things out, like: > >21. Obligation: I must/have to/gotta eat >22. Semi-obligation?: I should eat, I oughta eat > >Oh! And a fairly major one >23. Past habitual?: I used to eat: "He used to eat meat, until he became >a vegetarian" > And its negative: I didn't used to eat > >Many others, of course. :-) English seems to be pretty free with >auxiliaries and adverbs, I guess you'd call them. I don't think you can >really come up with a definitive list.
There is a book (or else a very lengthy article) from the 60s by Martin Joos, called IIRC "The English Verb". He analyzes the transcript of a British trial-- I think from a mystery novel, so it's literary, not real spoken language-- (and there's lots of "correct shall-will/should-would that we no longer use). Covers all of the bases and then some. Quite a tour de force. (M. Joos is one of just two or three people I can think of, who spoke in perfect well-organized paragraphs.)

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