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Re: Rating Languages

From:Michael Poxon <m.poxon@...>
Date:Monday, September 24, 2001, 14:20
Re Hardness: I don't speak fluent Hungarian, but rather have some knowledge
of it. When I decided to learn it, I found the very strangeness was itself
an aid to remembering. Many of the paradigms are regular, and there is no
gender to worry about. A language like Old English or German I found to be
much harder, because of the large amount of irregularity in the gender/case
endings, irregular verbs and so on. The "cases" encountered in Hungarian are
basically just suffixed prepositions (Hungarian grammars call them
'postpositions').
Mike Poxon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raymond Brown" <ray.brown@...>
To: <CONLANG@...>
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: Rating Languages


> At 10:00 pm -0400 21/9/01, Colin Halverson wrote: > >Hey, I was wondering what you people think is the hardest language to
learn
> >(of the languages you know). > > One can't give a simple answer. Basically, the closer a language is in > structure to one's own, the easier it is to learn. If there's a good deal > of shared vocabulary then life is even easier. It means the Romance & > Germanic languages will normally feel easier to English speakers then
other
> languages. Structurally the Celtic languages are not so different but > there is less obvious shared vocabulary. The Slav languages are also IE > and, therefore, not so different structurally as non-IE languages, but > anglophones generally find the noun and adjective declensions tricky > (except for Bulgarian & Macedonian). > > >I've heard Hungarian is hard (of course I don't > >know any one who speaks Hungarian)? Of course I would be wondering from
an
> >English point of view. > > Hungarian is not IE origin and will generally be found harder than most > other European langages for English speakers. But on the global scale, > there are plenty of languages one is likely to find much harder. > > >Also- are Chinese languages hard? > > If you want to learn them in order to speak them, they are not so hard;
but
> if you want to read & write them in their traditional form, then they get > hard because there are so many characters to learn. > > >Are there many similarities between Cantonese and Mandarin? > > Yes. > > >And some-what on the same topic, are East Indian > >languages hard or similar. I know some Indians and they all know about
four
> >Indian languages (Bengali, Panjabi, Telugu and Hindi I think) who say
they
> >are different, but when I hear them the words sound similar to me- > > Telegu is quite different from the other three. Bangali. Punjabi & Hindi > are of IE derivation and have become comparatively analytic over the ages; > they shouldn't be too difficult for English speakers to learn. But
Telegu
> belongs to the southern Indian Dravidian family of languages which
includes
> Tamil; these languages are quite different in structure and will be harder > to learn. > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > At 9:26 pm -0700 21/9/01, Frank George Valoczy wrote: > >Well I'm a native Hungarian speaker so it's easy for me, but surprisingly > >difficult was Estonian and Votian. Somali was difficult to the point that > >I gave up on it, but more so due to inarticulatable phonology than > >grammar... > > Yep - the phonology can make a language which would otherwise not seem so > difficult a 'hard' language to learn. The Nguni languages (e.g. Zulu & > Xhosa) will not be so bad if you merely want to read them; but people
often
> find mastering all the many c;ick consonants quite tricky. > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > At 4:55 am -0400 22/9/01, Amber Adams wrote: > [snip] > > > >Japanese is commonly thought of as a hard language, but I find it fairly > >easy. Obviously, the vocabulary is nothing like English, but that's not > >really a big shock. The grammar is all messed up, but after a while, > >you get a feel for it. It's trivial to pronounce :) > > Unlike the Nguni languages I mentioned above, the phonology of Japanese is > quite simple; it's quite easy to pronounce. And I agree it's not so > difficult to learn to speak (and hear). But what makes it hard IMO is its > complicated written system with its two sets of syllabaries (kana) and the > few thousand kanji (Chinese characters). > > > ========================================= > A mind which thinks at its own expense > will always interfere with language. > [J.G. Hamann 1760] > =========================================