Re: state of flow in conlang (was Re: Ke'kh - degrees of volition)

Ajin-Kwai wrote:
>
> draqa has a set of derivational particles that describe a strong
> subjective experience.  It is hard to explain, but I'd think of it as
> similar to your state of flow concept, because it involves a totally
> subjective immersion in the experience at hand:
>
> -toi    strong subjective experience
> -pir    strong subjective negative experience
> -miu    strong subjective positive experience
Interesting!  So I am not the only one...

Am I right in assuming that -toi is neutral with regard to whether the
experience is positive or negative?

> So, with: liu 'beauty' ; jaka 'violence' ; heiduia 'singing'
>
> ia liutoi:      I am immersed in a strong subjective experience of beauty.
> i jakapir:      Suffering a deep subjective immersion in a violent
>                   experience.
> i heiduiamiu:   Deeply and blissfully immersed in experiencing the act of
>                   singing.
What do _ia_ and _i_ mean?  Apprently they are personal pronouns,
inflected for different cases?

> These meanings would imply being caught up in the flow of things, unified
> with the experience.
Yes, it sounds quite similar.  The _-miu_ suffix, it seems to me,
directly corresponds to the comitative construction by which flow is
expressed in Nur-ellen.  The other two have no direct counterparts,
at least not as far the design of the language has proceded yet.
But it is an idea I'll consider!  Symmetry suggests that there
ought to be some sort of negative counterpart to the "flow"
construction.


>       These particles can be attached to any root, so you
> could also say:
>
> mehi 's/he/it'
>
> ia mehimiu:     I beautifully and strongly experience him/her.
I think I can guess what you mean by this...

Are there any other conlangs where such subjective states of experience
are grammaticalized?  Or, for that matter, any natlangs?

Greetings, and always stay in the flow,
Jörg.