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Re: Psycho Conlanging Closet Hypnotized --- Film at 11!

From:Diana Slattery <slattd@...>
Date:Sunday, February 14, 1999, 2:06
Sally Caves wrote:

> > It would be a super project someday to burn a CD with > > > conlangers's web pages, audio files, special doo-dahs of all kind. (open mouth, > > > insert foot). > > Actually, that WOULD be a great idea, Diana... it would be the only way to convey some > > of these projects visually and aurally. I think a great deal is lost if we're not > HEARING > these languages we're making up, and not seeing the scripts they're written in. > Webpages > help, but I do know that when it's written out on paper, I have a hard time accessing > ANY foreign > language, and I'm acutely aware a lot of the time that Teonaht just looks like a bunch > of > gibberish--or worse, sort of enters the common stream of "just-another-conlang" when > it's > typed out on screen.
The audio file of you reading in Teonaht is invaluable in understanding what this is all about, the beauty of the sounds. What a dream it would be to have a "jukebox" of each conlanger speaking in his/her created language. Speaking in scattered tongues. Doing something multimedia along this line makes my mouth water.
> One of the things I wonder about as I write this essay is to > what extent > all this exposure to one another threatens to take away the uniqueness of what we're > doing.
Oh, what a deep matter you open here. The paradox of secret/exposure/hiding/outing The desire to have something all one's own, unique vs. the longing to communicate if not in one's language at least, second best?, about one's language.
> > When you read "A Secret Vice," you realize how doing something like this in isolation, > as > Tolkien did, lends a kind of unparalleled mystery to the endeavor, that will be > rendered > commonplace by too much media attention... how-to webpages, and so forth. On the one > hand, I'm glad for Conlang... my understanding of how Teonaht works and can work has > been vastly deepened by my contact with the linguistic gurus on the list. On the > other, I > wonder what happens when everybody knows about it and starts doing it.
My own gut sense is that "conlanging" is an emergent form, a cultural "metaform" (whatever that means, but you get my intent of a step back from a cultural form per se--a cultural form about a cultural form)--perhaps call it an idea springing up spontaneously all over the place that then the generating nodes get to connect because of another major major cultural emergent form: the WWW. So suddenly the links are made and the sparks fly. And the emergent has a tendency to appear under the sign of the monstrous: the secret vice, the maligned art, the frankensteinish manufacture, the "unnatural" language, containing, strangely, some of the same wavelength of excitement as the engineering of our genes--oh, I too can dream a body, can dream a world, can build a language. All the hubris/delight/playfulness/ of world-building, of what children learn they should not do if they expect to be card-carrying grownups.
> Shameful as it > > is to admit this, but I took great pride as an adolescent and a young adult in this > "secret" > hobby of mine, absolutely sure that maybe only five or six other people in the nation > were > doing it (harumph... THAT was a misconception, wasn't it?). I actually enjoyed > thinking > I was a little crazy. I love the description in "A Secret Vice" where Tolkien > overhears a > fellow soldier whisper to himself in the messhall: "I've got it: I shall indicate > the accusative > with a prefix!" But that was all he could get out of him. After the closet conlanger > discovered > that he had revealed himself, he clammed up. > > So I wonder then: is the listserv changing a fundamental aspect of conlanging by > allowing us > to air our projects in a public forum? What was once secret and unique now becomes > display and even agon?
No question about it...but the genie is out of the bottle (or closet) now, hmmm???? Get that book out, Sally. Diana
> > > Sally Caves > scaves@frontiernet.net > http://www.frontiernet.net/~scaves/teonaht.html