Re: partial letter replacement in languages?

Quoting Rodlox <Rodlox@...>:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tristan Mc Leay <conlang@...>
> To: <CONLANG@...>
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 1:33 PM
> Subject: Re: partial letter replacement in languages?
>
>
> > On 10 Dec 2004, at 6.08 pm, Ray Brown wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, December 9, 2004, at 09:25 , Philip Newton wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 02:48:04 +0200, Rodlox <Rodlox@...>
>
> > >> but just wanted to note that some
> > >> instances of this come when there are two (nearly) concurrent sound
> > >> changes such that, say, /d/ becomes /t/ while, say, /D/ becomes /d/ --
> > >> so all or most original /d/'s disappeared but there are still /d/'s in
> > >> the resulting language that used to be a different sound.
> > >
> > > Yes, but that is not what I understand Rodlox to mean.
>
>  what I meant was, such as ->
>
> /Murad/ becomes /Murat/ *
> ..yet...
> /Abdulhamid/ does not become /Abtulhamid/
You mean does not become /abtulhamit/?

For the first 't', the reason no doubt is the different phonological contexted;
final stops are much more likely to devoice that ones sandwiched between two
voiced sounds, like in "Abdul-". We'd speak of a conditioned sound-change, or a
sound-change in certain positions.

If the second 'd' also persists, then something weird would indeed seem to be
going on. The word, as Ray says, would indeed seem to be "exception".


A general comment on your posting style; you are frequently extremely brief,
often to the point of endangering comprehensibility. If you took the trouble to
spell out your questions and opinions in some more detail, you'd not have to
write so many subsequent clarifications. Just trying to help.

                                                       Andreas