Re: 'out-' affix in conlangs?

Quoting "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...>:

> On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Eugene Oh <un.doing@...> wrote:
> > [beɪtsɪŋ] is probably the closest pronunciation you can get using
> English
> > phonemes to the actual Mandarin reading, especially taking into account the
> > aspiration of the English /p/.
>
> Thanks. :)  But I would prefer to use the Mandarin phonemes; I'm just
> bad at pronouncing some of them. :)  I can handle the initial
> unaspirated [p], but [É•], with or without the [t], eludes me.
> (Actually, I don't even see it on the IPA chart; I'm assuming it's the
> same sound represented by [ç]...)
It isn't. In the 2005 IPA chart, you'll find the later in the palatal column of
the main table, while the former hides below the main chart in the section
"Consonants (co-articulated)". In the 1993 chart, it hides even further down
under "Other symbols".

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Andreas Johansson