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Re: CHAT: Measurements (was: Re: CHAT: browsers)

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Monday, February 17, 2003, 20:34
En réponse à Andreas Johansson <and_yo@...>:

> > See that asterisk? I was intending to list the phonemes and their > regular > spellings.
Ok, let's do a shameless comparison with Maggel ;)) . I include here only the "regular" spellings (IIRC the most common ones :)) ) and only a single vowels. If I were to include the spellings of all the diphtongues, I wouldn't be finished tomorrow... So, here it goes:
> > /i/ i
In Maggel: i, e
> /y/ y, ü
u, oe, iu
> /e/ e, h, zero
ae, ue (yep, no e ;)) )
> /a/ a, ah
a, oa, u before |fd| (ufd is pronounced [ag] or [&g])
> /o/ o, oo
> /u/ u, uu >
u NOTE: Maggel is not fond of cardinal vowels, so they are not much used and have thus few regular spellings. But it has plenty of other vowels to compensate (and lots of diphtongues written in strange ways, like |au| for [UE] :)) ).
> /j/ j, y >
ih, ij NOTE: Maggel has phonemic palatalisation.
> /p/ p
im, b, ib
> /b/ b, bh
b, ob
> /t/ t, tt, th
in, d, id
> /d/ d
d, od
> /k/ k, c
g, ig
> /g/ g, gh >
g, og, fd after |u|
> /f/ f
f, of
> /v/ v, w
hm, f, if, b in |bau| [vwE]
> /s/ s, ss, z, zz, sz, zh, zzh, zhz
s, os
> /S/ ch
j, jb
> /h/ h
> > /m/ m
m, om
> /n/ nn >
n, on
> /r/ r, rr, rrh
If you mean the alveolar trill: r, il
> /l/ l, ll >
l, ol
> The doublings that occur in the list above are the common ones - other > letters are sporadically doubled. Similarly, a large number of > polygraphs > involving "h" occurs in the list above - a not inconsiderable number > of > other silent "h"s are also floating around. >
This list doesn't do real justice to Maggel, which has so many sounds that it writes in strange ways. To give you a few typical examples: - [D]: t, it, hb - [w]: hf, hfh, hu, seemingly a in |bau| [vwE] - [C]: ht, h before |i|, jbh - [J\]: hth, sbh, jh, ojh And note that I listed only the ones I specifically wrote. Some regular marks (always an addition of a letter in front or behind the letter or polygraph in question), may bring or restore regularly a pronunciation, giving to all those sounds you gave one or two more spellings, also regular, but not written in my notes as such :)) . BTW, your orthography looks nice. Not as mad as Maggel's, but nicely plausible, given what they do in English and French :)) . Christophe. Take your life as a movie: do not let anybody else play the leading role.


Tristan <kesuari@...>