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Re: CHAT: Measurements (was: Re: CHAT: browsers)

From:Andreas Johansson <and_yo@...>
Date:Monday, February 17, 2003, 19:21
Christophe Grandsire wrote:
>En réponse à Andreas Johansson <and_yo@...>: > > > > > Still, there are outrageous spellings like _graentz_ /grans/ "mountain > > range", where both the "e" and the "t" are silent without any > > justification. > > > >No worse than French "compte", where the "p" has been added only to make it >look like Latin :)) (English "debt" is to put in the same boat :)) ).
Except that the Cyranians don't have the justification of imitating another language. The language-name "Cyran" is pretty bad too: the letter "c" is normally used for /k/ before back vowels and before consonants, or as part of the digraph "ch" representing /S/, whereas "y" can represent either /y/ or /j/, so one'd be forgiven to guess the word is to be pronounced /kjeran/ or similar. It's /Syran/ - apparently the only word in the language where "c" on its own indicates /S/.
> > What's truly bad about this orthography is that manages to cause > > massive > > ambiguity while mapping 22 phonemes onto 25 letters* plus a couple of > > dozen > > digraphs. > >Now that's indeed different from Maggel, which has probably something like >90+ >phonemes for 17 letters (but dozens and dozens of digraphs :) ). > > The really unforgiveable part is, of course, the > > aforementioned > > unsystematic indication of /e/. It doesn't even avoid identical > > spellings > > where it could; city name _Mrd_ /mr=d/ and _mrd_ /merede/ "rivercourse > > in > > delta". > > > >LOL.
Irregularity just is so much more annoying when it's entirely unnecessary, isn't it? Cyran orthography'd be better off if the letter "y" was abolished; it normally indicates either /y/ or /j/, and thanks to flexible syllable structure an unwritten "e"s you can far from always tell which. This despite there being relatively unabiguous "ü" for /y/ and "j" for /j/ ("ü" is pretty rare, and the only diacritic'd character you'll find).
> > There's random apostrophes thrown in too. Eg _M'cha_ /meSa/, > > _Zzew'ten_ > > /sevten/. > > > >The Star Trek effect? :)))
Something like that. Andreas _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*.


Tristan <kesuari@...>